Strider Tigerwolf Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 For those who have watched Deadliest Warrior, this thread is going to be somewhat of the same thing. Alright. This thread is going to be dedicated mainly to the matching up of certain decks and seeing if there is an advantage/disadvantage, strengths/weaknesses, X factors, etc between two decks. I hope that this will be a weekly thing, as in there will be X deck vs. X deck discussion for 7 days. All Rules in this section apply. Please be constructive, creative etc. After a week has passed, the topic will go onto another X deck vs. X deck discussion. As for X deck vs. X deck discussions, members are allowed to give me deck match ups that they want to discuss via PM. DO NOT POST THOSE HERE! Discussions "topics" will be put on hold in this main post. So...how about we get discussing? [spoiler=Discussions on hold]N/A Current Discussion VS. [spoiler=Gishki Strengths]Ability to RecycleExcessive Search Power [spoiler=Laval Strengths]Banish PlaysGraveyard Tool Box Strategies WHO?!IS?!DEADLIEST?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Gishki, no contest. [/thread] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted December 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Care to elaborate on your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Gishkis always can re-use their cards. You never run out of boss monsters to use because Gishkis end up recycling them all the time (unless if you banish their cards). Lavals are great, but without the Graveyard, they are pretty useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Gishki's have boss monsters that are actually worth running. They have consistent recycle engines in Mirror, Salvage, Avarice, ect. They can play offense well while mantaining a good field presence and locking down your opponent's strategies. Laval's have Rekindling and Laval Lady, Tender of the Volcano. That's pretty much it. They can't mantain Field advantage, they don't have any outstanding monsters besides Chain. They take forever to set up. They're more trouble than they're worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse S Hall Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 All Rules in this section apply. troll is trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shizuku Oikawa Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Gishki's are one of the best Archetypes in the DT, can Summon boss monsters, maintain hand advantage, and can easily recycle their boss monsters and other members. Gishki even has its own FTK. Lavals require good setup, and even then, they still don't have great cards to make the setup worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortalKombatSmoke Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 so wait, you all think Gishki are Better than laval. Then tell me what I'm doing wrong!!! I've constructed, what I think, is a beast gishki deck, but every time I go against lavals, that red nova dragon combo always gets me and *cuts* Dead... so Gishki as an Idea should be stronger than Laval, but with the right Combos, in my opinion, Laval is stronger than Gishki. The main issue is the combos Laval can pull out vs. the Gishki Combos. Laval can summon Red Nova Dragon pretty easily and once its on the field, its tough to get rid of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 so wait, you all think Gishki are Better than laval. Then tell me what I'm doing wrong!!! I've constructed, what I think, is a beast gishki deck, but every time I go against lavals, that red nova dragon combo always gets me and *cuts* Dead... so Gishki as an Idea should be stronger than Laval, but with the right Combos, in my opinion, Laval is stronger than Gishki. The main issue is the combos Laval can pull out vs. the Gishki Combos. Laval can summon Red Nova Dragon pretty easily and once its on the field, its tough to get rid of! And Gishkis can eat your hand so you can't even pull out that RND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortalKombatSmoke Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 yeah that's just it, Gishki's CAN eat your hand, once again, the cards are there, the problems are Gishki Strategies v. Laval Strategies. Laval Strategies tend to interfere with Gishki's, I've never beaten a good laval deck with Gishkis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Welche Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 RDA versus nothing. I vote Flamvellavals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Laval can summon Red Nova Dragon pretty easily and once its on the field, its tough to get rid of! OT: Gishki are the better decktype from a theory-oh perspective because the deck not only has some decent recycle power itself, but its main components are also targets themselves for the WATER Attribute's prime recycling engines. Honestly, I've never actually played Lavals enough to know their strengths, but ONE of Gishki's strengths is above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiithepeople Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Both decks run Sangan. Therefore, Sangan is the deadliest warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Guys, Lavals are starting to top locals all over Japan. They're becoming a force to be reckoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dante v. Nero Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Gishkis. Without a doubt. [/thread] Oh wait, that's already been done. I suppose I have to elaborate on my opinion then......urggh.... Gishkis are better because they can keep recycling their boss monsters if they are ever sent to the Graveyard, and the only way to stop the cycle is to Banish the Ritual Spell Cards or the Ritual Boss Monsters. And when that happens, Gishki players are usually sent into a panic (mostly me, because I play YGO Online, which requires something green paper stuff called money which you all probably don't have) because they also don't have the proper Siding Materials to recover them from the Banished Zone. Also, Gishkis have good support: Salvage, Technique of the Ceremonial Water Mirror, Moray of Greed, and Forbidden Arts, among others. Lavals don't have as much field presence, which rely strictly on the Graveyard. If you can find a way to shut down plays in the Graveyard (which is ridiculously easy with Necrovalley), then Lavals will be shut down entirely. Laval's best support comes from cards such as Foolish Burial, that one Magic Card that allows you to mill 2 Laval Monsters, Blazing Dust Explosion (which is bad), and Rekindling. However, the best use from Lavals is usually going Laval200, while Gishkis can stand as their own Archetype, albeit with some support from Manju/Senju/Sonic Bird. Gishkis. Win. [/thread] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Technique of the Ceremonial Water Mirror, Moray of Greed, and Forbidden Arts Manju/Senju/Sonic Bird.You're doing it wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dante v. Nero Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 You're doing it wrong /ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 I just stated the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Kenta's right Dante. Manju/Senju/Sonic isn't needed because they are all too slow and outclassed by Abyss. Preparation of Rites is one of the better spells because it increases the speed at which you Ritual Summon. Technique is outclassed by Salvage by an extreme amount, Moray of Greed doesn't do well, and Forbidden Arts just slows down Gishkis, but could possibly be used as a side-tech. Though, Gishki's weaknesses are: 1) Rely heavily on Spells2) Banishing their cards stops their recycling prowess that they are known for3) Can be very susceptible to a bad start if they do not draw into a Ritual Monster AND a Ritual Spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 All Rules in this section apply.Except they clearly don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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