CDDRodrigo Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 LOL DN. [url="http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/7/73/GemKnightCitrine-DT11-JP-DSPR-DT.jpg"][img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101203101220/yugioh/images/thumb/7/73/GemKnightCitrine-DT11-JP-DSPR-DT.jpg/300px-GemKnightCitrine-DT11-JP-DSPR-DT.jpg[/img][/url] 1 "[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Gem-Knight"]Gem-Knight[/url]" Monster + 1 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Pyro"]Pyro[/url]-[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Type"]Type[/url] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster"]Monster[/url] Must be [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Fusion_Summon"]Fusion Summoned[/url], and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways. If this card battles, your opponent cannot [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Activate"]activate[/url] the effects of [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Spell_Card"]Spell[/url], [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Trap_Card"]Trap[/url], or [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Effect_Monster"]Effect Monsters[/url] until the end of the [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Step"]Damage Step[/url]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I actually just explained why that ruling makes sense. By the logic that this stops fullhelm, Catastor's effect would still go off even if its attack was negated. Both have the condition "When this card battles" after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted January 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Odd. Well, seems like everyone was playing it wrongly then? O_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 "Battle" starts at attack declaration. You are the turn player, so your effects have more or less priority over opponent's. So Fulhelm is already "sealed" by Citrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [quote name='Yūki Terumi' timestamp='1325439016' post='5742793'] "Battle" starts at attack declaration. You are the turn player, so your effects have more or less priority over opponent's. So Fulhelm is already "sealed" by Citrine. [/quote] I attacked with Catastor. It's battled, so I don't care if it's effect goes off because it's gone through with attack declaration. GG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1325439067' post='5742794'] I attacked with Catastor. It's battled, so I don't care if it's effect goes off because it's gone through with attack declaration. GG. [/quote] Catastor says "when this card battles a monster". Citrine says "battles". Yes, that makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [quote name='Yūki Terumi' timestamp='1325439123' post='5742796'] Catastor says "when this card battles a monster". Citrine says "battles". Yes, that makes a difference. [/quote] Not really. Battles is still battle. It has to battle to get its effect. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1325439188' post='5742798'] Not really. Battles is still battle. It has to battle to get its effect. Simple as that. [/quote] Catastor is a TRIGGER effect though. Citrine...I'm quite sure it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [quote name='Yūki Terumi' timestamp='1325439216' post='5742799'] Catastor is a TRIGGER effect though. Citrine...I'm quite sure it's not. [/quote] Since when the hell does that matter? They have the same conditions. Fullhelm negates the attack so Citrine never battled, so the condition was never met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Ancient Gear Clause is continuous. Battle starts from declaration to end of damage calculation. Unless it was changed overnight or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [quote name='GreigaBeastDS' timestamp='1325439362' post='5742805'] Ancient Gear Clause is continuous. Unless it was changed overnight or something. [/quote] Means is starts since the attack declaration. If Citrine was trigger, Fulhelm could form a chain with it and negate the attack. But if it's continuous, no dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [quote name='GreigaBeastDS' timestamp='1325439362' post='5742805'] Ancient Gear Clause is continuous. Battle starts from declaration to end of damage calculation. Unless it was changed overnight or something. [/quote] Ancient Gears say "When this card declares an attack". The wording there matters, because it has in fact declared an attack, but not battled yet. Citrine does not have Ancient Gear clause.[quote name='Yūki Terumi' timestamp='1325439421' post='5742806'] Means is starts since the attack declaration. If Citrine was trigger, Fulhelm could form a chain with it and negate the attack. But if it's continuous, no dice. [/quote] Except IT HAS NOT BATTLED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderVolt Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Alright, im gonna pull out my WC 2011, and have Citrine and Catastor battle and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [quote name='Poison Love' timestamp='1325439564' post='5742808'] Alright, im gonna pull out my WC 2011, and have Citrine and Catastor battle and see what happens. [/quote] That doesn't work :/ They're both battling so Catastor wouldn't go off since Citrine's condition is met. You need to test it against Mirror Force/Sakuretsu Armor/Negate Attack etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderVolt Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1325439636' post='5742813'] That doesn't work :/ They're both battling so Catastor wouldn't go off since Citrine's condition is met. You need to test it against Mirror Force/Sakuretsu Armor/Negate Attack etc. [/quote] Wah, don't make faces at me, you and klav are both awesome and i just want to see this resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted January 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 TESTED IT ON WC 11 CITRINE WINS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 EDIT: WC11 Says otherwise. So much for consitency Konami. Can't negate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Assuming Citrine is a continuous effect: [quote][b][u]Substep 1: Start of the Damage Step[/b][/u] First, apply the Continuous Effects of monsters at this time, like “Steamroid”, “Rampaging Rhynos”, “Crystal Beast Topaz Tiger”, “Etoile Cyber”, “Super Robolady”, “Super Roboyarou”, “Black Veloci”, and “Jain, Lightsworn Paladin”.[/quote] However, Fulhem gets the opportunity to use its trigger effect at the start of the Battle Step, after attack declaration. Edit: eww wc11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [size=8]This is the Darkwolf777 signal. It means we need Darkwolf777.[size=1](or alternatively Evilfusion would be cool)[/size][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Welche, we used WC11 to solve it. Until some other official source comes up and says otherwise, we can't do much about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 But the Wikia has the effect as continuous o.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderVolt Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [quote name='Mu-12' timestamp='1325439921' post='5742820'] TESTED IT ON WC 11 CITRINE WINS [/quote] I can vouch for this, just tested both ways, vs Fullhelm Knight, Citrine attacking Catastor and Catastor attacking Citrine. Citrine won all times (Except for the fact that Citrine will still get killed because clash) Good, this is resolved now... OT: Card is freakin awesome, allows Gem-Knights to swing without fear of anything and can be used to make Big Eye if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 In your face Miror, mwahahahahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 ...so 'battles', regardless of whatever else is in that sentence, will usually mean "from the start of the Battle Step"? It like overrides every single rule of battle ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1325440709' post='5742836'] ...so 'battles', regardless of whatever else is in that sentence, will usually mean "from the start of the Battle Step"? It like overrides every single rule of battle ._. [/quote] The thing is, card's text overrides rules in such cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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