Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I said Ron Paul was a nutjob. Not that all conservatives are nutjobs. i disagree with their views but they aren't insane. They just have yet to realise is all. Ron Paul wants to bring back the Gold Standard which will bankrupt Europe if said policy were to take place. He wants to get rid of everything helping our country. He... Is... A crazy nutjob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Mind explaining how that works? I'm sure there are other people who want to switch to the gold standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Comrade Trollestia' timestamp='1326677913' post='5766065'] Mind explaining how that works? I'm sure there are other people who want to switch to the gold standard. [/quote] The United States of America owns most of the gold in the world which is held in Fort Knox. If the United States were to switch with the gold standard trade in Europe would drop exponentially as they would be unable to aquire the necessary gold due to the US owning it. The dollar is the main trade currency when trading among countries due to itshigh value. But gold is not made of paper like the dollar and it is limited. If they were to immediately switch to the euro as the main trading currency too early it would cause a relapse and devalue and so no matter what Europe would plunge into bankruptcy while the United States flourishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1326678572' post='5766088'] The United States of America owns most of the gold in the world which is held in Fort Knox. If the United States were to switch with the gold standard trade in Europe would drop exponentially as they would be unable to aquire the necessary gold due to the US owning it. The dollar is the main trade currency when trading among countries due to itshigh value. But gold is not made of paper like the dollar and it is limited. If they were to immediately switch to the euro as the main trading currency too early it would cause a relapse and devalue and so no matter what Europe would plunge into bankruptcy while[b] the United States flourishes.[/b] [/quote] Isn't that what America wants? Flourishing ourselves out of debt is good. I'm a Moderate btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Darius the Just' timestamp='1326681856' post='5766179'] Isn't that what America wants? Flourishing ourselves out of debt is good. I'm a Moderate btw. [/quote] While Europe suffers? Have we no morality? While people struggle to live because the United States switched to gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1326681935' post='5766182'] While Europe suffers? Have we no morality? While people struggle to live because the United States switched to gold. [/quote] If we don't, we'll turn into that. Even though it may be a last resort, it is going to have to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Darius the Just' timestamp='1326684460' post='5766273'] If we don't, we'll turn into that. Even though it may be a last resort, it is going to have to happen. [/quote] I would rather suffer than prosper at the expense of another country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1326684803' post='5766291'] I would rather suffer than prosper at the expense of another country. [/quote] If we fall, the world goes with us. I'm afraid that is a reality in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Darius the Just' timestamp='1326684865' post='5766294'] If we fall, the world goes with us. I'm afraid that is a reality in this day and age. [/quote] Well I disagree I have seen the economy get better and I have hope it will. It isn't going to fall. This is nothing compared to The Great Depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1326685177' post='5766310'] Well I disagree I have seen the economy get better and I have hope it will. It isn't going to fall. This is nothing compared to The Great Depression. [/quote] Our economy is still fragile. One wrong move and it's back to square one. Why do you think the economy is still a big issue? Why do you think Oregon is requiring students to take economics, something that hasn't been done in years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Darius the Just' timestamp='1326686112' post='5766370'] Our economy is still fragile. One wrong move and it's back to square one. Why do you think the economy is still a big issue? Why do you think Oregon is requiring students to take economics, something that hasn't been done in years? [/quote] It is still fragile but it IS getting better. I never said we are great I said we are getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1326686239' post='5766373'] It is still fragile but it IS getting better. I never said we are great I said we are getting better. [/quote] I have seen improvement, yes. However, it is still not enough to save our a**es from this debt, which Obama had requested another limit increase for. We need to do everything that we can to lower it. ... I'm starting to sound Conservative. Side note: I'm enjoying this little debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Yep, those sure are some helpful programs he wants to get rid of. [img]http://i.imgur.com/OPY0E.jpg[/img] Then there's the meritocracy-crushing affirmative action, business taxes that don't allow small competition to emerge against superpowers, pyramid scheme social security based upon the idea of an ever-increasing population, Europe's general solution to healthcare is only viable so long as they can leech off of innovations America made, and an unmonitored and secretive fed that screws people over in such obvious ways. I'd be fine with some government control but this is all just terrible. (Also, you're implying that a state can't enact these policies on their own if they wanted to.) And that's a very specific way in which the gold standard would be implemented. It's not as though the practice is forced upon other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1326693589' post='5766546'] Yep, those sure are some helpful programs he wants to get rid of. [img]http://i.imgur.com/OPY0E.jpg[/img] [/quote] That's hilarious. OT: The American Dollar is becoming worthless, switching to the gold standard wouldn't really screw Europe over, it would just keep us afloat. Barely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 "In a Ron Paul America there would be no enviornmental protection, no social security, no Medicaid or Medicare, no help for the poor, no public education, no civil rights laws, no anti-discrimination laws, no Americans with Disabilities Act, no laws ensuring the safety of food or drugs or consumer products, no workers rights... He wants to abolish the Federal Aviation Authority and its pesky air traffic controllers. He has one answer to every problem-including how to land an airplane safely: let the market handle it." -The Nation This man wants bring back the old days of America when the constitution was in its early stages. Back when all the white, rich, male, Christians held the power and everyone else was meant to to live in a f*cking gutter. This man is known as the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party. The movement associated with bringing back the white mans world. His heart is in the right place but even he has no idea that not only will his plans screw our country but that how much the Tea Party movement is racist, homophobic, and bigoted. They are only concerned with themselves and do whatever they can to stop paying taxes when it is the sole revenue that keeps our country under wraps. The constitution was flawed and the US government is constantly trying to amend to the constitution but Ron Paul wants it back in its early stages. He constantly spoke about the hypocritical founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson who constantly spoke out against slavery but wouldn't dare free their own. What many of the idiotic Tea Party don't know is many of George Washington's policies were Liberal. While Thomas Jefferson's were mostly Conservative. Yet the Tea Party constantly says George Washington would be ashamed if he saw our state. The Tea Party is full of a bunch of idiots who are tired of the Atheists, gays, blacks, and non-christians running around America these days and want to put a stop to it. And Ron Paul is the biggest idiot of them all. He wants to give the decision for Gays to marry to the state governments which would virtually screw the movement. He is pro-life and wants to ban abortion. What Ron Paul doesn't understand is that as the world moves on, many new policies need to be implemented to keep it in check. The dollar is not worthless in fact it is still in its high time. Almost all the countries in the world take dollars from tourists to which they calculate and switch it to their currency. The dollar is still at the height of its game and we are missing that fact because Fox News continues to say its worthless when it isn't. It may be devalueing but it is nothing compared to the value of theYen or the Euro which are still below the Dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 On the Euro vs. Dollar issue, $1 is €0.79. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote]"In a Ron Paul America there would be no enviornmental protection, no social security, no Medicaid or Medicare, no help for the poor, no public education, no civil rights laws, no anti-discrimination laws, no Americans with Disabilities Act, no laws ensuring the safety of food or drugs or consumer products, no workers rights... He wants to abolish the Federal Aviation Authority and its pesky air traffic controllers. He has one answer to every problem-including how to land an airplane safely: let the market handle it." -The Nation[/quote] I was going to go through and explain why this is all baseless talk that assumes these are positives and that states still have the power to enact whatever kind of interventionism they please, until I realized I already did this and you're repeating the same points. Talk about ignorance. And nice job citing the media you claimed to of ignored in your decision-making progress. Though there are some points you quoted I hadn't talked much about. >Civil Rights and the such "Civil Rights" shouldn't exist because everyone was supposed to have equal treatment from the beginning. The Jim Crow laws could have been repealed for being wholly unconstitutional, anything further added was done for the left to garner black support, removing property rights and giving skin-based advantages, turning people into groups. That's kept people separated to this day. >Worker rights, poverty, etc. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rls8H6MktrA[/media] [quote]This man wants bring back the old days of America when the constitution was in its early stages. Back when all the white, rich, male, Christians held the power and everyone else was meant to to live in a f*cking gutter. This man is known as the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party. The movement associated with bringing back the white mans world.[/quote] White and rich. These are just massive buzzwords to invoke wealth envy and white guilt. Of course there was inequality, but there was net progress for the whole, and the separation of wealth was and is a main result of federal action cozying up with business. [quote]His heart is in the right place but even he has no idea that not only will his plans screw our country but that how much the Tea Party movement is racist, homophobic, and bigoted.[/quote] [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kAbCYD2Kux8/TG6FUBLtpMI/AAAAAAAAG1Q/3DxqJtMSi1s/s1600/8-18-10roscharchCMYj20100819010850.jpg[/img] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J6OnyxnBT8[/media] [img]http://i.imgur.com/bfjaO.jpg[/img] And so forth. [quote]They are only concerned with themselves and do whatever they can to stop paying taxes when it is the sole revenue that keeps our country under wraps.[/quote] So the Tea Party that wants lower taxes across the board is more self-centered than the OWS that wants higher taxes for the rich. Uhuh. [quote]The constitution was flawed and the US government is constantly trying to amend to the constitution but Ron Paul wants it back in its early stages.[/quote] Only in the case where amendments go against original concepts. Would you consider removing Prohibition foolish? [quote]He constantly spoke about the hypocritical founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson who constantly spoke out against slavery but wouldn't dare free their own. What many of the idiotic Tea Party don't know is many of George Washington's policies were Liberal. While Thomas Jefferson's were mostly Conservative. Yet the Tea Party constantly says George Washington would be ashamed if he saw our state. The Tea Party is full of a bunch of idiots who are tired of the Atheists, gays, blacks, and non-christians running around America these days and want to put a stop to it.[/quote] Hey there, I'm Ad Hominum McRedHerrington and I'm driving this entire message! [quote]And Ron Paul is the biggest idiot of them all. He wants to give the decision for Gays to marry to the state governments which would virtually screw the movement.[/quote] Implying it hasn't already worked for states. I think, according to the Constitution, there should already be given legal equality but that's just me. Obama is leaving it up to states too, so does basically every president that isn't against it altogether. [quote]He is pro-life and wants to ban abortion.[/quote] He never said he wants to ban abortion. He's just against it because he values life and isn't going to pander to a female audience that wants to kill their seed and neglect responsibility after getting knocked up. [quote]What Ron Paul doesn't understand is that as the world moves on, many new policies need to be implemented to keep it in check.[/quote] What's that, Rome? You think this move from a democratic republic to an empire could screw over your country? PROGRESS. EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IS INEVITABLY PROGRESS. [quote]The dollar is not worthless in fact it is still in its high time.[/quote] LIE [img]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Joshmr74/Dollar-Value.jpg[/img] "The dollar is still at the height of its game and we are missing that fact because Fox News continues to say its worthless when it isn't. It may be devalueing but it is nothing compared to the value of theYen or the Euro which are still below the Dollar." Repeated lie, and another lie. Good show. Quit making these bad arguments man, you're going to force me into supporting Ron Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1326760753' post='5767568'] He never said he wants to ban abortion. He's just against it because he values life and isn't going to pander to a female audience that wants to kill their seed and neglect responsibility after getting knocked up. What's that, Rome? You think this move from a democratic republic to an empire could screw over your country? PROGRESS. EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IS INEVITABLY PROGRESS. LIE [/quote] First response: "Ron Paul will also protect the American people’s freedom of conscience by working to prohibit taxpayer funds from being used for abortions, Planned Parenthood, or any other so-called “family planning” program." -Ron Paul Campaign Website He also wants to repeal Roe VS Wade. And also for the second response: You implythat the switch from a Republic to an Empire was NOT a good idea to which I disagree. Having an Emperor is a gamble. You either get a good one or a bad one. As example with the Roman and Byzantine and American Empires, We had some emperors/presidents who were good and others that were bad. I support Julius Caesar and still support him to day. I condemn the Roman Republics constant corruption and idiocy and lack for making any worthwhile decisions. When certain emperors and Presidents were coroneted/elected they became cporrupt while others stayed along their lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Preventing taxes from funding abortion =/= Banning abortion And you're vouching for ridiculously centralized power, that which was the first reason for Rome's fall. Of course you'd oppose Ron Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1326764504' post='5767667'] Preventing taxes from funding abortion =/= Banning abortion And you're vouching for ridiculously centralized power, that which was the first reason for Rome's fall. Of course you'd oppose Ron Paul. [/quote] Corrupt emperors was the cause of Romes fall. Constantine Paileologos did every thing he could to stop it but it was no match for the ongoing Ottomans. Tome caught up with them and eventually they faded into nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Yes, a corrupt emperor(and an expansive empire and multiculturalism, of course). Thus, betting all you have on the chance that a leader isn't terrible when this at best sustains the nation and at worst leads to utter collapse is idiotic. Another fallacy that emerges is that people try to compare a president to an emperor when he is far more limited. We have branches to divide power and prevent power from gaining too much control, and Ron Paul's philosophy would further remove the influence the central government has had, and it has been largely negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1326765712' post='5767708'] Another fallacy that emerges is that people try to compare a president to an emperor when he is far more limited. [/quote]When do people ever do that? The president doesn't have nearly as much power as said emperor would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I know right, it's ridiculous. [quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1326762904' post='5767603']Having an Emperor is a gamble. You either get a good one or a bad one. As example with the Roman and Byzantine and American Empires, We had some emperors/presidents who were good and others that were bad.[/quote] Ron Paul can't rip apart the government in a day. Stop acting like he can, it's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 That quote means an entirely different conversation that would drift way off topic. I am not comparing what Emperors can do to Presidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Support for power consolidation, support for emperors, then a comparison of an emperor's rule to presidential rule man. Don't say Ron Paul will do X and Y when it's clear he won't have the ability to ever do that/want to, then say WELL OF COURSE A PRESIDENT DOESNT HAVE THE POWER OF AN EMPEROR, it's contradictory. There was only a drift off-topic since you focused on that point specifically and not my refutation of the argument for an emperor's rule being superior to the more democratic system they head in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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