Shizuku Oikawa Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Those or Ban Rat. I don't know. I'm just throwing stuff out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Hunter should be the one hit because non-FTK Wind-Ups don't need him and are cooler with Zenmaity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='Chihaya Kisaragi' timestamp='1326511877' post='5763399'] Those or Ban Rat. I don't know. I'm just throwing stuff out there. [/quote] Rat is Archetype-specific revival. It's a +0 Xyz, but it's not the problem =/ [quote name='Pacmanexus' timestamp='1326511992' post='5763406'] Hunter should be the one hit because non-FTK Wind-Ups don't need him and are cooler with Zenmaity. [/quote] And Fufu should never be banned because Dragons need it. And rekindling is the epitome of balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseSymphony Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326511318' post='5763373'] No, Zenmaity needs to go. Zenmaity is the senseless +0, hunter is useless without it. Just because an Archetype needs a broken card does not mean th at card doesn desrerve the banhammer, and it's stupid to find little nitpicky ways to avoid it. NEW broken combos will constantly come up while it exists. Cards like this, Rekindling, Future Fusion, etc. desrve the hammer to slam them. This one just happens to be in the hammer's shadow. [/quote] That being said, I seriously doubt Zenmaity will be put on the ban list in March. There's too much money in it, if Zenmaity is going to be worth how much I think it'll be worth. Konami will let people have their fun with it while they rake in the cash. Maybe they'll limit/semi-limit it to balance the metagame, if they find it necessary. But they won't ban it, at least not on this forthcoming list.. Zenmaity is the Rescue Rabbit of ORCS. Banning it now would be a stupid financial decision on their part. At least that's my guess. My opinion still stands though: Zenmaity should be semi-limited, and Hunter banned. Also, banning Rat seems harsh. Limiting it would put a swift end to the loop, so banning it would just be stupid. Either way, though, I doubt Rat will hit the ban list at all. According to the thread, the prime candidates are Zenmaity and Hunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='RoseSymphony' timestamp='1326512149' post='5763415'] Banning it now would be a stupid financial decision on their part. At least that's my guess. My opinion still stands though: Zenmaity should be semi-limited, and Hunter banned. [/quote] [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326512139' post='5763414'] And Fufu should never be banned because Dragons need it. And rekindling is the epitome of balance. [/quote] Hunter is balanced =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Zenmaity does more than Hunter in the loop. Hunter is the key card, but Zenmaity's genericness and multiple copies are far more problematic. With it limited, people would need to run Bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Ban BAT not Rat! Loljk just limit this and limit kitten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Once upon a time no one was having this discussion. Then Wind-Up Shark was printed. We got Nexon'd, except it's not Nexon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326512139' post='5763414'] And Fufu should never be banned because Dragons need it. And rekindling is the epitome of balance. [/quote]I concede on FuFu. But Rekindling is fine. I'm not saying Rekundling and Zenmaity aren't broken, I'm saying they make fun decks playable. And the point of the game is to have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='Pacmanexus' timestamp='1326513514' post='5763449'] I concede on FuFu. But Rekindling is fine. I'm not saying Rekundling and Zenmaity aren't broken, I'm saying they make fun decks playable. And the point of the game is to have fun. [/quote] The sheer amount of spam Zenmaity allows is overkill, but it requires multiple copies to REALLY go nuts. Rat is fine. Hunter + Zenmaity is asking for too much trouble. It's too easy to spam, and both of them isn't "making a fun deck playable". It's making a fun deck cheap and broken. Being able to loop cards like that in a single turn and strip your opponent's entire hand for just one or two cards is WAY TOO MUCH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1326513835' post='5763460'] The sheer amount of spam Zenmaity allows is overkill, but it requires multiple copies to REALLY go nuts. Rat is fine. Hunter + Zenmaity is asking for too much trouble. It's too easy to spam, and both of them isn't "making a fun deck playable". It's making a fun deck cheap and broken. Being able to loop cards like that in a single turn and strip your opponent's entire hand for just one or two cards is WAY TOO MUCH. [/quote]I know Hunter and Zeny together are broken, which is why I say Hunter should die. Or even leaving Hunter and limiting Zeny would be the best of both worlds. Honestly, my argument has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with liking Wind-Ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I'm of the opinion Zenmaity needs to be limited. I think it'd really cut down on the spam without murdering the decktype. Think Infernity Launcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='Pacmanexus' timestamp='1326514664' post='5763468'] I know Hunter and Zeny together are broken, which is why I say Hunter should die. Or even leaving Hunter and limiting Zeny would be the best of both worlds. Honestly, my argument has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with liking Wind-Ups. [/quote] Hunter needs Zenmaity to be Broken Zenmaity is broken without Hunter And I'm not saying BAN Zenmaity, just limit. I know you said nvm, basically, but just saying it in this thread as well. Also: Summon Magician SS Shark SS Magician with Magician Shark Lv. 5 SS Shark 2/Warrior/Soldier/Dog Make Volca Make rank 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I somehow managed to be seeing the threads for like half an hour, and never think of limiting Zeny instead of banning. I need to stop thinking when I'm tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Zenmaighty hit over hunter because it's the deck searching +0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='RobotBowtieOfDestruction' timestamp='1326510012' post='5763333'] This isn't good enough. Your reactions to cards are too strong. With the things that we have in our current meta, this will do nothing. A bunch of 1500 beaters and either a Zenmaines, a stable 2500 beater, or an unstable 3000 beater is extremely vulnerable. Without Limiter Removal, it's terrible. [/quote] > implying there are no other combos that Wind-Ups can make [quote name='RoseSymphony' timestamp='1326510804' post='5763350'] Hunter should be banned, not Zenmaity. Without Hunter, the ragequit-inducing hand rape loop will end. Without Zenmaity, the entire point of the Wind-Up archetype goes down the drain. Sure, Zenmaity can swarm the field fast, but honestly, in this metagame, if an archetype doesn't have a card that generates quick field advantage, that archetype won't survive. Personally, I think Hunter should be banned and Zenmaity be left entirely alone or semi-limited. [/quote] > Infernity Beetle was so broke cause it allowed Trish plays, we should totally have 3 Launcher back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1326515961' post='5763504'] > implying there are no other combos that Wind-Ups can make > Infernity Beetle was so broke cause it allowed Trish plays, we should totally have 3 Launcher back. [/quote] there aren't any other combos especially since you said yourself that zenmaighty was a problem card without hunter because of limiter removal. /w1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Limiter Removal was just an example. And obviously Wind-Ups will still be playable without Zenmaity, why wouldn't they be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingdom Xathers Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Semi-Limit Rat, Semi-Limit Zenmaity, Limit Hunter. ... honestly, idgaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseSymphony Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='Forsaken Wulf' timestamp='1326564781' post='5764107'] Semi-Limit Rat, Semi-Limit Zenmaity, Limit Hunter. ... honestly, idgaf [/quote] Limiting Hunter wouldn't do anything... you only need one for the hand rape loop. Just pulled two of these along with a Shark at the Sneak Peek. Which is exceedingly strange, cuz IDON'TGETGOODCARDSWUTISTHISIDONTEVEN. D: So yeah, SEMI-LIMIT ZENMAIT -/shot I've kind of thought about it, and limiting Zenmaity might be the best possible option. The possibility of a loop disappears, Wind-Ups are still competitive, Konami doesn't lose tons of money, and I'm still happy. :3 I still think banning it would be flat-out stupid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I pulled this and Rat at the Sneak Peak. No joke. It still deserves to be Semi Limited at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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