thekazu4u Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327093293' post='5772801'] You're judgement still sucks. This card is in no way an OTK. It's effect only works in the Standby Phase, meaning your opponent has a turn to deal with it. On top of that, although it can have any number of cards equipped to it, it only equips one card at a time. The equip effect's limitation is that it's slow as hell. And even if it goes to 3K, it still takes an entire turn to do it. [/quote] The whole point of this card is to let your opponent use it for attacking but not for anything else. If you do not want to make it a XYZ I would make it the following: [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]As long as this card is Face-up on the field: Neither player can Special Summon. This card must attack when able. During your Standby Phase: Equip one monster in your Graveyard with the highest ATK to this card. This card gains ATK equal to half the combined ATK of all monsters equipped to it. If this card would leave the field or be flipped Face-Down: send one card equipped to it to the graveyard instead. During your End Phase: switch control of this card to your opponent. If this card is in Defense Position: Pay 1000 Life Points and change this card to Attack Position.[/size][/font][/color] OR the XYZ Version: [font="tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#5a5a5a"][size=3]2 Level 3 Monsters (maybe dragon/fire only if you like, or for that matter change the level) but make sure it is 0/0 because it will get a good amount of atk from equipping in the first place.[/size][/color][/font] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]As long as this card is Face-up on the field: Neither player can Special Summon. This card must attack when able. During your Standby Phase: Attach one monster in your Graveyard with the highest ATK to this card. This card gains ATK equal to half the combined ATK of all monsters equipped to it. If this card would leave the field or be flipped Face-Down: detach one XYZ Material Monster from this card instead. During your End Phase: switch control of this card to your opponent. If this card is in Defense Position: Pay 1000 Life Points and change this card to Attack Position.[/size][/font][/color] I like the XYZ better: no limit to the number of cards equipped and starts out with 2 equipped so no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327094372' post='5772822'] The whole point of this card is to let your opponent use it for attacking but not for anything else. [/quote] Yes but it is in NO WAY an OTK card. I see no value in switching control, even if you limit it's use in Synchro/Xyz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327097660' post='5772910'] Yes but it is in NO WAY an OTK card. I see no value in switching control, even if you limit it's use in Synchro/Xyz. [/quote] Switching control is supposed to be its limitation/downside... not an added value... although I could imagine making it somehow a good thing in a special deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327101760' post='5773062'] Switching control is supposed to be its limitation/downside... not an added value... [/quote] How can I make you understand that I see no reason for it to have that limitation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327103245' post='5773129'] How can I make you understand that I see no reason for it to have that limitation? [/quote] It is sorta the entire point of the card. For it to be a big card that neither player truly controls. That is why it is DISOBEDIENT dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoRWBY65 Posted January 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327113828' post='5773353'] It is sorta the entire point of the card. For it to be a big card that neither player truly controls. That is why it is DISOBEDIENT dragon. [/quote] That effect is why I called it Disobedient Dragon. It only listens to you during your turn, then stabs you in the back during your opponent's turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 So you made it bad on purpose. /ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327159215' post='5773799'] So you made it bad on purpose. /ok [/quote] Usual RC behaviour. :I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327159215' post='5773799'] So you made it bad on purpose. /ok [/quote] Cards that are bad in one way are supposed to be good in another. That is why it gets such high attack etc... sorta like Goblin Attack Force before it started sucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327170288' post='5774232'] Cards that are bad in one way are supposed to be good in another. That is why it gets such high attack etc... sorta like Goblin Attack Force before it started sucking. [/quote] Cards that are bad are bad. Making a card good in one way doesn't make it good overall. Nitro Synchron is a +0 Synchro if used for Nitro Warrior. Why does nobody use it? Oh right, because it sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Metal Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I don't like the picture so much, but I find the card and the effect really good anyway :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327171350' post='5774264'] Cards that are bad are bad. Making a card good in one way doesn't make it good overall. Nitro Synchron is a +0 Synchro if used for Nitro Warrior. Why does nobody use it? Oh right, because it sucks. [/quote] Not really, you are just looking at a badly made example. Look for example at Metaion. That card has the bad effect of shuffling itself back into deck. however, it is good in other ways. It is a perfectly balanced card, neither OP'd nor UP'd, and is splashable. This card, while not being as splashable, I have a feeling would fall in a similar category. If it was a generic rank 3 xyz, then it could even be splashable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327177001' post='5774422'] Not really, you are just looking at a badly made example. Look for example at Metaion. That card has the bad effect of shuffling itself back into deck. however, it is good in other ways. It is a perfectly balanced card, neither OP'd nor UP'd, and is splashable. This card, while not being as splashable, I have a feeling would fall in a similar category. If it was a generic rank 3 xyz, then it could even be splashable. [/quote] Did you seriously compare a Time Lord to this piece of trash of a card? ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1327178476' post='5774460'] Did you seriously compare a Time Lord to this piece of trash of a card? ._. [/quote] yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327182489' post='5774585'] yes? [/quote] Because Metaion and this are [i]soooo [/i]similar, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirun Wolf Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 You guys need to relax. The concept of this card is really fun, and unique. There are ways to take advantage of it. There are decks that could possible use the card in fun ways. Get over the fact that it isn't a straightforward +1 or something like that. It's unique effect could and would be harnessed by a few players. You make it seem as if other notoriously bad cards haven't been used in ways that have completely changed the meta... The card is realistic. It is balanced. It is playable. It is ridiculous. Oh well. Stop bashing it and try to find ways it can be used or ways the effect could be improved, without changing the concept behind the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 It's NOT a +1! It's a liability for christ's sake! And bad cards aren't used unless something new comes out that breaks it. There's nothing that breaks this! I can't find any way to use this at all other than a beatstick that puts you at a big disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirun Wolf Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327186912' post='5774780'] It's NOT a +1! It's a liability for christ's sake! And bad cards aren't used unless something new comes out that breaks it. There's nothing that breaks this! I can't find any way to use this at all other than a beatstick that puts you at a big disadvantage. [/quote] How about instead of "If this card would leave the field, remove..." change it to "If this card were to be destroyed by battle, remove 1 equipped card instead. When this card leaves the field, the controller of this card takes 2000 damage." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 You seem to not get it. The card is crap. It sucks. I wouldn't use it. I don't understand why anybody would use it. It's terrible. It's weak. So much other stuff is better. I'd use it as toilet paper before using it in my deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 [quote name='Kirun Wolf' timestamp='1327186720' post='5774774'] You guys need to relax. The concept of this card is really fun, and unique. There are ways to take advantage of it. There are decks that could possible use the card in fun ways. Get over the fact that it isn't a straightforward +1 or something like that. It's unique effect could and would be harnessed by a few players. You make it seem as if other notoriously bad cards haven't been used in ways that have completely changed the meta... The card is realistic. It is balanced. It is playable. It is ridiculous. Oh well. Stop bashing it and try to find ways it can be used or ways the effect could be improved, without changing the concept behind the card. [/quote] I was not bashing it, and I did post several ways the effect could be improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirun Wolf Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327189396' post='5774898'] You seem to not get it. The card is crap. It sucks. I wouldn't use it. I don't understand why anybody would use it. It's terrible. It's weak. So much other stuff is better. I'd use it as toilet paper before using it in my deck. [/quote] Well then you would be the definition of a bad player. Good players can take practically any card and make them work using a system. I'm done with this thread but to be honest you have the mindset of a stereotypical elitist, and generally elitists are the worst type of player. You seem to not get it. The creator of this card/thread sought to make a card with a unique dynamic that is realistic and balanced. While they didn't get the card firing on all cylinders, they actually did make a unique card, with a unique effect, that could be improved and balanced for some type of play. Just because it automatically is not t1, doesn't make the card crap. No one uses "Pulling the Rug" anymore but that doesn't mean it's complete garbage and useless. No one uses "Trap Hole" anymore but once again that doesn't mean it's absolute garbage and useless. Anyhow, I'll stop posting in the thread. I don't like such negative environments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 [quote name='Kirun Wolf' timestamp='1327193607' post='5775005'] Well then you would be the definition of a bad player. Good players can take practically any card and make them work using a system. [/quote] Fyi, the heart of the cards does not exist.Also, I've tried telling how to make it better. But apparenlty I'm an idiot and doesn't know how to play the game. Just because the card is original doesn't mean it's good. It's not balanced, it's UP'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoRWBY65 Posted January 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327194141' post='5775022'] Fyi, the heart of the cards does not exist. Also, I've tried telling how to make it better. But apparenlty I'm an idiot and doesn't know how to play the game. Just because the card is original doesn't mean it's good. It's not balanced, it's UP'd. [/quote] I have made so many OP'd cards, hearing that a card I make is UP'd is a relief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Lol. [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327194141' post='5775022'] Fyi, the heart of the cards does not exist. Also, I've tried telling how to make it better. But apparenlty I'm an idiot and doesn't know how to play the game. Just because the card is original doesn't mean it's good. It's not balanced, it's UP'd. [/quote] Your way of making it better is destroying the card. I guarantee that I can find a use for this card given enough time, especially if the phrase preventing it from being flipped face down was added. OP, please confirm the final wording of the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327197173' post='5775089'] Lol. Your way of making it better is destroying the card. I guarantee that I can find a use for this card given enough time, especially if the phrase preventing it from being flipped face down was added. OP, please confirm the final wording of the card. [/quote] If the card is that bad that fixing it would somehow "destroy" it, it deserved to be destroyed. If a card is that bad and a person posts a card like this to RC of all places, they should except people who actually play the game and understand how it works to comment on it and try to actually, like, make it better...you know, constructive criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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