thekazu4u Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Only thing is, it is not even that bad. One potential way of using it: jam up their side of the field with something of the Ojama Trio or use Kaiser Collosseum when you have one monster out. With Kaiser Collosseum, they would not be able to summon a monster after gaining control of it, opening them up for a massive direct attack the turn after. With Ojama Trio, they would not even be able to take control of it in the first place (ruling time). If it was an XYZ, it would be a good thing to put it out when they have 5 monsters on the field already. If it had to attack, I can imagine somebody would create some burn strategy based around it and cards like Zoma the Spirit, Dimension Wall, and Magic Cylinder. It is searchable (in your opponents turn so you would get an equip off the bat) with cards like UFO Turtle that burn decks already use. Point is, it affects both players in the same way and in a big way. The advantage you have is you see it coming and can choose when to put it out. Anything like this can make for some big combos. I am not saying this card is teir 1, or will have a spot in decks that top tournaments, but it is not useless, could be good now or some time in the future sort of like Book of Eclipse, not to mention a very good collector's card. Stop bashing me and the OP, and stop acting like this card is somehow super unrealistic and/or completely unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327254454' post='5775803'] Only thing is, it is not even that bad. [/quote] How does it get used without giving your opponent a giant Xyzable beatstick? We've given plenty of reasons why it's bad, I have yet to hear why it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327254454' post='5775803'] Only thing is, it is not even that bad. One potential way of using it: jam up their side of the field with something of the Ojama Trio or use Kaiser Collosseum when you have one monster out. With Kaiser Collosseum, they would not be able to summon a monster after gaining control of it, opening them up for a massive direct attack the turn after. With Ojama Trio, they would not even be able to take control of it in the first place (ruling time). If it was an XYZ, it would be a good thing to put it out when they have 5 monsters on the field already. If it had to attack, I can imagine somebody would create some burn strategy based around it and cards like Zoma the Spirit, Dimension Wall, and Magic Cylinder. It is searchable (in your opponents turn so you would get an equip off the bat) with cards like UFO Turtle that burn decks already use.[/quote] You're missing the point here, it doesn't matter if the you can combo it with other cards to make a bad lockdown / burn deck. The matter in hand is that you're still giving your opponent a Level 3 beatstick with the chance that your opponent will use it to Xyz Summon something or deal you a decent amount of damage. [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327254454' post='5775803'] Point is, it affects both players in the same way and in a big way. The advantage you have is you see it coming and can choose when to put it out. Anything like this can make for some big combos. I am not saying this card is teir 1, or will have a spot in decks that top tournaments, but it is not useless, could be good now or some time in the future sort of like Book of Eclipse, not to mention a very good collector's card. Stop bashing me and the OP, and stop acting like this card is somehow super unrealistic and/or completely unplayable. [/quote] Again, you can't call a card good because it can make some random combo. And why shouldn't I call a card useless that does nothing good for me, ie giving more advantage to my opponent than me? And may I ask, why are you brining Book of Eclipse into the argument now? It's not like Book of Eclipse is good or anything. :I And again, we, and by "we", I mean me and Ieyasu, actually know what the hell we're talking about. We actually play the game, and understand how a card would work in the game, and believe me, by the fact on how unreliable this card is, nobody good would use it. Heck, even casual players wouldn't really use this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Book of Eclipse can be used in a [b]very [/b]specialized deck to be an extremely powerful card. All I am saying is that although both this card and that card look very bad, they probably still have some use. Also, they cant XYZ if they only have 1 monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327353794' post='5777504'] Book of Eclipse can be used in a [b]very [/b]specialized deck to be an extremely powerful card. All I am saying is that although both this card and that card look very bad, they probably still have some use. Also, they cant XYZ if they only have 1 monster [/quote] Book of eclipse is used in Empty Jar and nothing else. And ITT you can't Normal Summon monsters. Level 3 is probably the most common level for Xyz thanks to Tour Guide and Wind Ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 There are other ways of using Book of Eclipse. And I can bet this card will be "used in _______ but nothing else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Give me ways please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327354859' post='5777527'] Give me ways please. [/quote] Ways for what? If you are talking about BoE, then duel me on DN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Cba'd to duel. Just tell me here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327356188' post='5777564'] Cba'd to duel. Just tell me here. [/quote] gud and stuf, but wtf does Cba'd to duel mean? anyways, it can be used to make godly deck out decks other than empty jar because not only does it cause the opponent to lose a turn of atks, but also it causes them to draw. Also if you have a skill drain out you can flip your Morphing Jar and chain BoE, allowing the morphing jar to still work. generally, it is really good in a stall deck particularly one based around deckout because it nearly always stalls for a turn as well as possibly getting bonus effect(s), not to mention the forced draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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