Photon Rising Stream

[Blake]

[quote name='-Dharc-' timestamp='1327124416' post='5773560']
"Can't be talked to" is different than "stubborn/stupid", Mr. Clover. You, on one hand, refuse to acknowledge others' opinions, simply because you see others as being stupid, most likely because of one or a few clever things you said. I, on the other hand, am just stubborn and a blithering idiot.

And it's consistent when you run 3 Tefnut, Shu, and Geb, 2 Isis, 3 Gathering, and 2 Supreme Force. With those, You can get something out on most turns. Then, there's also REDMD. Also, Inferno Reckless Summon helps bring out all 3 Seals at once for either TED and Ennead, and in the case of Ennead, you have at least one tribute, not counting what's in your hand or on the field already. Dragorado also helps to bring out Seal, or simply buff other monsters up to Level 8, and boosting them by 800.

Anything else?
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I don't thik you're stupid, though you are stubborn. You're arguing yours is better just as much as I am. You can't be talked to either, and I find it ironic. I don't think I'm better than you as a person, either, so don't put wors in my mouth, if you would.

You realize Geb only grabs Holy Marks when tributed, yes? And then you're running 6 vanillas that are, all, pretty damn crappy. Inferno Reckles Summon is situational and bad, and eve if you have "At least one tribute" your opponent has at least one monster, too. Why the hell are you running Supreme Force? It's a -1 that doesn't DO anything except empty a clogged hand. Dragorado isn't bad, itself, but given the fact it requires running a terrible lv. 8 vanilla, it's kinda bad here.

You're running 6 vanillas, all of which are extraneous. You could just run 2 and have a lot better consistency and a lot more space, as opposed to... Situational combos.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Here, I got a really easy reason as to why Level 5/6 variant is superior.

They only need to run 2 useless Vanillas that clog the hand.

[Ｄｈａｒｃ]

[quote]I don't thik you're stupid, though you are stubborn. You're arguing yours is better just as much as I am. You can't be talked to either, and I find it ironic. I don't think I'm better than you as a person, either, so don't put wors in my mouth, if you would.[/quote]

Never said you thought I was stupid, I was just saying I was. And I even said I'm not saying it's better, I said I was explaining it is a [i]viable[/i] deck type. And I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, that is just the impression I've gotten from you from the times I've ever tried to say anything to you, so I guess on that part, a bit of apology is in order for me doing something that I can't exactly define right now due to my dearth of intelligence.

[quote]You realize Geb only grabs Holy Marks when tributed, yes? And then you're running 6 vanillas that are, all, pretty damn crappy. Inferno Reckles Summon is situational and bad, and eve if you have "At least one tribute" your opponent has at least one monster, too. Why the hell are you running Supreme Force? It's a -1 that doesn't DO anything except empty a clogged hand. Dragorado isn't bad, itself, but given the fact it requires running a terrible lv. 8 vanilla, it's kinda bad here.[/quote]

1. Every Holy Marked grabs one when tributed, and Geb grabs one when it destroys anything by battle, so that point is invalid.
2. Holy Marked has great synergy with multiple cards in the archetype and with other cards, allowing it to bring itself out faster, which I hardly see as being crappy. And I don't see how Blue-eyes, which serves pretty much a similar purpose with less in-deck support, is crappy, either.
3. Inferno Reckless may be situational in other decks, but in the build I run, it is a very useful card.
4. Supreme Force allows an easy summoning of Shu if there's no Holy Marked on the field, or it summons many things in the deck if I have something else planned/done for the Normal Summon.
5. Again with you saying Seal is "bad". You say it's "bad" constantly, but you never say why aside from it having 0/0 and being Normal, which is what basically ANY monster brought out by a Holy Marked becomes anyway. Besides, it has the actual Holy Marked support, making it even better than most things people would think to run in its place.

[quote][color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Here, I got a really easy reason as to why Level 5/6 variant is superior.[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]They only need to run 2 useless Vanillas that clog the hand. [/size][/font][/color][/quote]

Yes. 5/6 is [i]obviously[/i] superior because it has a different strategy.
/makes total sense

[Blake]

[quote name='-Dharc-' timestamp='1327126026' post='5773589']
1. Every Holy Marked grabs one when tributed, and Geb grabs one when it destroys anything by battle, so that point is invalid.
2. Holy Marked has great synergy with multiple cards in the archetype and with other cards, allowing it to bring itself out faster, which I hardly see as being crappy. And I don't see how Blue-eyes, which serves pretty much a similar purpose with less in-deck support, is crappy, either.
3. Inferno Reckless may be situational in other decks, but in the build I run, it is a very useful card.
4. Supreme Force allows an easy summoning of Shu if there's no Holy Marked on the field, or it summons many things in the deck if I have something else planned/done for the Normal Summon.
5. Again with you saying Seal is "bad". You say it's "bad" constantly, but you never say why aside from it having 0/0 and being Normal, which is what basically ANY monster brought out by a Holy Marked becomes anyway. Besides, it has the actual Holy Marked support, making it even better than most things people would think to run in its place.
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You neglect to understand. Wheneb is tributed, it can ONLY grab a Holy Marked,
You're running 6 cloggy vanillas when you only need 2, as said above you. You only need Tefnut, Shu, and Nepthys.
And it is a potential -1 that leads to a -3 ._.
If you weren't running cogg vanillas you wouldn't need Supreme Force. IT's a -1, and anygood uses are outweighed by that.
It's CLOGGY and needs to be run @3. IT does nothign except Xyz and other Vanillas of simialr caliber do it better.

[Althemia]

So in this topic we establish that several people are bad at running Hieroglyphs and should probably stop playing as to stop giving me a migraine. Mainly you, -Dharc-. Running the Level 8 Normal will just offer dead draws if drawn into (especially multiples, I don't even want to think about getting that.) I also don't want to think about running Geb over Tefnut, especially since Tefnut is CyDra except it's on Ra Crack. No, seriously. Geb is bad and you should feel bad for playing it if you do.

You should also feel bad for not playing Tiras. Are you retarded? It's the best Rank 5 Xyz in the game.

[Agro]

ITT: STUPID IDEAS

Hello, my name is Aggro... do you know what I tend to specialize in? No? Well then, I guess you suck at life.

Run the damn Rank 5 & 6 spam, I've tested it against some damn good decks, it works. Also, Ptolyms or whatever it's name is is a freak of nature. Nabbing those Maxx "C" OVER AND OVER again, dear lord.

Rank 8 engine is extremely inconsistent, most of the time you're left with dead cards cause you need Trade-In to do something.

Geb is meh, and only good when he destroys things in battle, which, unlike flamvells, where you have Rekindling to speed everything up, is slow as f*ck.
The essentially CyDra copy is beastly and the tribute SSers are amazing.
Finally, we have Isis, the Gagaga magician of dragons and quite possibly the funniest excuse to run Xyz that need 3 materials.

Most important part of this archetype, and this one is for Lun of all people: REDMD and FuFu are unnecessary and not entirely useful.

OT: the point in this topic is that the ones that can SS ANY Normal monster upon being tributed are better than Geb, who doesn't do squat except nab our fake Ra, which as we've explained is unnecessary and cloggy. Geb is nice, but in a good build he shouldn't even be there in the first place.

EDIT: Oh look, Koko said what I said with less explanation :\

[Althemia]

[quote name='Wraith' timestamp='1327127189' post='5773608']
ITT: STUPID IDEAS

Hello, my name is Aggro... do you know what I tend to specialize in? No? Well then, I guess you suck at life.

Run the damn Rank 5 & 6 spam, I've tested it against some damn good decks, it works. Also, Ptolyms or whatever it's name is is a freak of nature. Nabbing those Maxx "C" OVER AND OVER again, dear lord.

Rank 8 engine is extremely inconsistent, most of the time you're left with dead cards cause you need Trade-In to do something.

Geb is meh, and only good when he destroys things in battle, which, unlike flamvells, where you have Rekindling to speed everything up, is slow as f*ck.
The essentially CyDra copy is beastly and the tribute SSers are amazing.
Finally, we have Isis, the Gagaga magician of dragons and quite possibly the funniest excuse to run Xyz that need 3 materials.

Most important part of this archetype, and this one is for Lun of all people: REDMD and FuFu are unnecessary and not entirely useful.

OT: the point in this topic is that the ones that can SS ANY Normal monster upon being tributed are better than Geb, who doesn't do squat except nab our fake Ra, which as we've explained is unnecessary and cloggy. Geb is nice, but in a good build he shouldn't even be there in the first place.
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I made a tl;dr version of your post. And ninja'd you. F**K YEAH.

[Agro]

[quote name='Professor Kokonoe' timestamp='1327127248' post='5773610']
I made a tl;dr version of your post. And ninja'd you. F**K YEAH.
[/quote]That's nice, koko. No muffins for you.

OT: There are only 3-4 Holy drags you should play and Geb isn't one of them.

[Mugendramon]

[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1327124696' post='5773571']
This argument is fun to watch.
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Any argument with Black in it is destinied to hilarity.

[.Stardust]

Such a fun argument. Dharc, please stop being stubborn. You can have an opinion, but when everyone around tell you you're doing it wrong, seems, well, that you're doing it wrong.

[Brinolovania]

[quote name='Wraith' timestamp='1327127357' post='5773613']
That's nice, koko. No muffins for you.

OT: There are only 3-4 Holy drags you should play and Geb isn't one of them.
[/quote]I like how that isn't OT at all.

And while the rank 8 engine is bad, it's also more fun than the regular IMO.

[Dementuo]

Let's stay on topic, guys. I just asked for opinions on how Holy Marks should be run. I didn't ask for you guys to start arguing over it.
Now both of you, shush.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

[quote name='Wingal Brave' timestamp='1327174001' post='5774310']
Let's stay on topic, guys. I just asked for opinions on how Holy Marks should be run. I didn't ask for you guys to start arguing over it.
Now both of you, shush.
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lol, you're saying to shush to the internet

[Lonk]

I see...light of this conversation had told me that I was doing Holy Marks wrong (I was running Seal of the Divine Dragon and REBD). Then again, it was a fun Holy Marks deck that I use to get out Lucky Stripe and Enread because I wanted to.

And, Card is pretty bad, which is sad.

[evilfusion]

Right now, Holy Marks can be run however the hell you want. There's the Level 5/6 version, which is interesting and gives consistent access to Amut, which is godly good. There's probably a Level 7 version with Red-Eyes. There's the Level 8 version.

Photon Rising CAN be used with Holy Marks, but the card is just meh. Lumenize is a single attack negation that gives a bonus if you have a Light. Photon Rising is much more conditional.