Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I've tested and always lost with my own Chaos End Dragon.It sucks and should be @3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Welche Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 So after extensive meta testing you have found that in games where you summoned CED-EotE you tend to lose? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Tsukuyomi is amazing I love it and find it as good at 3 as MST and Reaper. This is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Not making a definition implies that people are forced to work off what they find in testing and such making people think :/ Then each tester has to subject their respective testing experience to their own definitions of what is good for the game, and so their opinions of the banlist would be based on their own opinions which they'd by no means be required to justify given that we're not putting such an onus on the original proposer. Should all testers be similarly negligent, each tester in turn would spew unexplained opinions with no way to agree with any other tester as no discussion would occur. Only unsupported statements. Justification is a prerequisite for people with differing opinions to assimilate each other. So after extensive meta testing you have found that in games where you summoned CED-EotE you tend to lose? Interesting. What would be wrong if he were to win easily each time he managed to get it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Wait... are we just gonna post what we want to make the format f*cking awesome? [spoiler=I wholeheartedly aggree]BannedSanganLonefireBLSEotBDandylionKalutBrionacShi-EnMind ControlReasoningChimeratech Overdragon LimitedZenmaightyRoyal TributeRescue RabbitInzektor DragonflyHyperionKristya Semi-LimitedFuFuREDMDBW - GaleSuper PolyHornDebrisBestiariMarshmallonInzektor HornetMezukiBlack WhirlwindTeleportScapegoatCeasefireMirror Force (MOTHERFUCKAS)Wall of Revealing LightWind-Up Factory UnlimitedDestiny DrawBottomless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ~King Crouton~ Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I can live with the list for the most part, but Time Seal @3? Are you obtuse? :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Professor Kokonoe Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Why would they unban BLS?Why would they give DMoC multiple reprints but not unban it?Why would they not make good Numbers?Why would they make Zenmaight broken?Why would they break *insert archetype name here*?Why would they make Tengu and Tour Guide?Why would they make Gagaga Girl and Zenmaines Secret Rares?Why would they not release Duelist Pack Yuma in the TCG already so I can get Number 61? There's a lot of things that Konami has done that lack inteligence. Because they're testing whether the format was any good or not for BLS to make a return, sorry for them trying to supply us with something cool.Because it's a really cool collector's item to have and, in the Battle Pack, is unbanned for that format.Because they like to appeal to everyone and print the plot device ones so that fanboys can have all the Numbers.Because they're trying to give us a more diverse metagame.Read above.Because Tewart.Because they're trying to get money out of people by printing things that people will want from the anime and metagame perspective in an expensive rarity.Because no-one cares if you want Volcasaurus. Not that difficult to figure out. Also, you have to start realizing that Konami is a business, not a daycare center. They have to attend to everyone's needs as profitably as they can, hence them printing meta-defining cards and such. You have to look at their decisions from the perspective of a businessman, not a TCG player. :l Oh and as far as I know, Dandylion won't get hit because Plants are s*** in the OCG. I could probably see Black Whirlwind going to 2 for BWs to start coming back again. I'm hoping about that Mezuki coming to 2 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 so like I need Zombies and Blackwings to comeback somehow.Sinister Serpant will be cool with Zombie Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Because they're testing whether the format was any good or not for BLS to make a return, sorry for them trying to supply us with something cool. No, they decided it was good for BLS to make a return. That's why they returned it. "It's cool" is not an argument. Because it's a really cool collector's item to have and, in the Battle Pack, is unbanned for that format. "It's really cool" isn't an argument either. Because they like to appeal to everyone and print the plot device ones so that fanboys can have all the Numbers. How is the given instance of not appealing to everyone an indication of their "liking to appeal to everyone"? Because they're trying to give us a more diverse metagame. Maybe, but you don't know that. It's just as possible that they hold making phat stacks off Wind-Up and Inzektor sales as their top priority with little interest on the impacts on the game. Read above. Likewise. Because Tewart. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Because they're trying to get money out of people by printing things that people will want from the anime and metagame perspective in an expensive rarity. Refreshing inconsistency. Now you just need to stop advocating for Konami entirely, flip-flopper. Because no-one cares if you want Volcasaurus. Pretty sure it's just standard release time inconsistency ant that it'll be announced soon-ish. Not that difficult to figure out. Also, you have to start realizing that Konami is a business, not a daycare center. They have to attend to everyone's needs as profitably as they can, hence them printing meta-defining cards and such. You have to look at their decisions from the perspective of a businessman, not a TCG player. :l Daycare centers also happen to be businesses and can prove just as efficient in milking money from wretched souls as Konami. Oh and as far as I know, Dandylion won't get hit because Plants are s*** in the OCG. I could probably see Black Whirlwind going to 2 for BWs to start coming back again. I'm hoping about that Mezuki coming to 2 though. Why 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dragon Sage Ω Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 BLS, Judgement and Warning @0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mu-12 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Plants won't get hit anyhow indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 BLS, Judgement and Warning @0. No.JD doesn't need it.A good LS/Twilight Deck doesn't run more than 2 JD, anyway. Warning doesn't need to hit 0. At all.BLS...maybe. IMHO it doesn't have it.And I honestly believe it won't get hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 BannedBlack Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning YesCard Destruction YesDandylion Agreed.Gorz the Emissary of Darkness Yep.Trap Dustshoot uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh naaaaaaahPot of Avarice Nope. LimitedWind-Up Zenmaity Ok...Inzektor Centipede Good idea.Dark Magician of Chaos ARE YOU AN IDIOT!?Sinister Serpent ...NO.Tribe-Infecting Virus Maybe.Butterfly Dagger - Elma Ok, considering it's loop is s***.Metamorphosis No.Master Hyperion Ehhhh, should go to 2 first.Rescue Rabbit or some f*** Rabbit probably won't be limited. Semi-LimitedBlackwing - Gale the Whirlwind Yes.Emergency Teleport Yep.Scapegoat No.Dark Hole No.Grapha, whatever the f*** comes after the first word of Dark World No. UnlimitedTime Seal THE f***!?Neo-Spacian Grand Mole Yep.Book of Moon @2 first.Summoner Monk ...50/50.Tsukuyomi Fine if time seal doesn't come back Willing to argue anything on here. Willing to fix things (I might have forgotten things) Don't argue how unrealistic it is. I know that it pushes old product and shoves aside new product. This is definitely not the direction that Konami wants to travel. After they destroy Plants, and to an extent Agents, they can sit on Xyz and not have any top tier decks based upon Synchro Summons. If you b**** about my choices enough and I argue and am right, either play me with your oh-so-solid theory-oh or shut up. Opinions in bold and s***.We need to ban foolish guise. It's about time it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evil Tristan Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 BannedBlack Luster Soldier - Envoy of the BeginningCard DestructionDandylionGorz the Emissary of DarknessTrap DustshootPot of Avarice LimitedWind-Up ZenmaityInzektor CentipedeDark Magician of Chaos - Won't happen until September, if even thenSinister Serpent - Can't see this ever happeningTribe-Infecting VirusButterfly Dagger - Elma - Definitely not until September earliestMetamorphosis - Odd choice but idkMaster HyperionRescue Rabbit or some f*** Semi-LimitedBlackwing - Gale the WhirlwindEmergency TeleportScapegoat - Not sureDark Hole - Not sureGrapha, whatever the f*** comes after the first word of Dark World UnlimitedTime Seal - Doubt they'd ever do thisNeo-Spacian Grand Mole - Can't really imagine it going to more than 2Book of MoonSummoner MonkTsukuyomi Oh and Brio for banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dragon Sage Ω Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 No. JD doesn't need it. A good LS/Twilight Deck doesn't run more than 2 JD, anyway. Warning doesn't need to hit 0. At all. BLS...maybe. IMHO it doesn't have it. And I honestly believe it won't get hit. SOLEMN JUDGMENT. (Judgment/judgement is confusing. Never figured out the difference.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest - Sharpshooter - Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I don't understand the logic of Time Seal @3, or, for that matter, Butterfly Dagger - Elma @1. Neither one of them offer much in terms of skillful, balanced play and are probably better off staying where they are. It's very likely that Inzektor Hornet will get hit, despite the fact that it's not necessarily the hit that will do the most damage. I'm expecting Hunter to get limited even though it isn't the one that needs to be. Zenmaity's a desired card and they'll probably continue to sell more ORCS by leaving it as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mu-12 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 (Judgment/judgement is confusing. Never figured out the difference.) Because there isn't, both are valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 SOLEMN JUDGMENT. (Judgment/judgement is confusing. Never figured out the difference.)Judgment is fine at one. Personally, I like the Solemn's where they're at.I MIGHT see Warning at 1, but it's fine, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest - Sharpshooter - Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Warning and Judgment are both fine where they are. Realistically, using 3 Warning would probably be overkill anyway, and it's not bad enough that it should go to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evil Tristan Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Well seeing as the banlist is based on the OCG and they have a BTH which is virtually a banishing costless Warning anyway in almost every given scenario... Yeh Warning will never be hit before BTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 It's very likely that Inzektor Hornet will get hit, despite the fact that it's not necessarily the hit that will do the most damage. I hope you understand that Inzektors only need 1 Hornet anyways to pull off the combo. I'd love it if they semi'd both Centibeet and Damsel, though that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mu-12 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Well, if you kill Centibeet, you kill the gigantic combos. Dragonfly was the one who seemed to be the most broken of the pair, but it's not apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 centipede makes them godly consistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evil Tristan Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Without many Centipedes, the only way to run Inzektors becomes the Wind-Up hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Without many Centipedes, the only way to run Inzektors becomes the Wind-Up hybrid. Or with Inzektor Gruf combos or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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