Valkyrus Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [img]http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb278/mario1092/goldendefender.jpg[/img] I know the name's lame, but it's a tribute to one of my very first cards. Anyways, comment/rate/love/hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Explain to me why being able to set a 3000 DEF monster is good design. Explain to me why it basically cripples your Opponent's field upon flipping. Explain to me why it has the totally random piercing effect. This card is a random jumble of effects and bad design, honestly =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101100111000 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Personally, if you're gonna Set this w/o a Tribute anyway, I don't see why you need this to be a Level 6. The second effect is rendered less effective due to the fact that the 3000 DEF won't allow it to be destroyed, so the first effect will more than likely just be used to stop your opponent from attacking some more (and to stop your opponent's Flip Effects). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='101100111000' timestamp='1328851803' post='5808007'] Personally, if you're gonna Set this w/o a Tribute anyway, I don't see why you need this to be a Level 6. The second effect is rendered less effective due to the fact that the 3000 DEF won't allow it to be destroyed, so the first effect will more than likely just be used to stop your opponent from attacking some more (and to stop your opponent's Flip Effects). [/quote] Level 6 is a balancing factor. So you can't search it as easily. It's called SYNCHROS and XYZ. It'll get in the grave =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1328851421' post='5807998'] Explain to me why being able to set a 3000 DEF monster is good design.[/quote] Because there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. There's plenty 2000+ DEF level 4 or lower monsters. 3000 isn't that shocking. [quote]Explain to me why it basically cripples your Opponent's field upon flipping.[/quote] if your only way to play is by battle. /ok [quote]Explain to me why it has the totally random piercing effect.[/quote] because why the f*** not? seriously, think of better arguments next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1328852138' post='5808017'] Because there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. There's plenty 2000+ DEF level 4 or lower monsters. 3000 isn't that shocking. if your only way to play is by battle. /ok because why the f*** not? seriously, think of better arguments next time. [/quote] How about you actually learn card design, and don't get snippy when someone calls you on a bad card? A 3000 wall isn't necessarily broken, but it's certainly terrible design. The fact that it has an effect in addition to that is just plain stupid. Most monsters have High ATK low DEF that are played. You know, Rai-oh, Hyperion, and other cards of the sort. You give it a flip effect, then argue that battle's invalid? What? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense at all. Also, why the eff not is a terrible argument and shows you're not really thinking about the design at all, and means you really shouldn't be posting here =/ It's a cluster of effects that really don't all belong together and make the card horribly designed. It's a wall that costs nothing but a normal summon (Early game that's eally good to set this), switches all their monsters to face-up DEF without wasting advantage, and gives piercing to kill said monsters with, potentially allowing for an OTK, I'm sure. The only plus side to it is that you made it level 6 so it's not a RotA target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1328852607' post='5808023'] How about you actually learn card design, and don't get snippy when someone calls you on a bad card? A 3000 wall isn't necessarily broken, but it's certainly terrible design. The fact that it has an effect in addition to that is just plain stupid. Most monsters have High ATK low DEF that are played. You know, Rai-oh, Hyperion, and other cards of the sort. You give it a flip effect, then argue that battle's invalid? What? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense at all. Also, why the eff not is a terrible argument and shows you're not really thinking about the design at all, and means you really shouldn't be posting here =/ It's a cluster of effects that really don't all belong together and make the card horribly designed. It's a wall that costs nothing but a normal summon (Early game that's eally good to set this), switches all their monsters to face-up DEF without wasting advantage, and gives piercing to kill said monsters with, potentially allowing for an OTK, I'm sure. The only plus side to it is that you made it level 6 so it's not a RotA target [/quote] and you're supposed to be the expert, is that what you mean? Also, you do realize you said pretty much nothing in your first post, right? /kinda know why you got to 30k+ posts now. and also, bad card design =/= unrealistic. So you're the one who shouldn't be posting here. besides the only "bad card design" here is that it switches opp's monsters in defense. And really, If the effect was" FLIP: decrease the ATK of all face-up monsters your opponent controls by 500-800" it would be the exact same thing. And THAT is not broken/ bad card design. And excuse me? Two effects that don't belong together? Yeah. That's your opinion. Also, there's this thing called originality. Try it sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1328854860' post='5808048'] and you're supposed to be the expert, is that what you mean? Also, you do realize you said pretty much nothing in your first post, right? /kinda know why you got to 30k+ posts now. and also, bad card design =/= unrealistic. So you're the one who shouldn't be posting here. besides the only "bad card design" here is that it switches opp's monsters in defense. And really, If the effect was" FLIP: decrease the ATK of all face-up monsters your opponent controls by 500-800" it would be the exact same thing. And THAT is not broken/ bad card design. And excuse me? Two effects that don't belong together? Yeah. That's your opinion. Also, there's this thing called originality. Try it sometimes. [/quote] All things considered, yes, yes I am. You'll see, soon. I'm not a spammer. I said everything that was wrong with your card, and you didn't have a single reason to back it up. This section is about WELL DESIGNED realistic cards. If bad design isn't unrealistic, I'll make a Lv. 4 DARK Dinosaur that wins the duel when summoned and cannot be negated. 3000 DEF that doesn't require a tribute is terrible card design. The shift and piercing effect just magnify it =/ Originality + Bad Design = Bad card Just because it's original doesn't make it good, and it's stupid to argue Originality > Design. Honestly, avoid the petty insults that have nothing to do with the topic, like the comment about my post count. You're walking a thin line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drcrisis Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Utterly broken. A good way to fix this card is to add this. While face down, this card loses 1000 defence. Also, it should not flip facedowns with effect. That would make it OP. You should just make it turn all opponents atk to def, so its a book of moon you have to wait for. piercing would still make sense and it would allow you to take down pesky beaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1328855096' post='5808050'] [b]All things considered, yes, yes I am. You'll see, soon.[/b] I'm not a spammer. I said everything that was wrong with your card, and you didn't have a single reason to back it up. This section is about WELL DESIGNED realistic cards. If bad design isn't unrealistic, I'll make a Lv. 4 DARK Dinosaur that wins the duel when summoned and cannot be negated. 3000 DEF that doesn't require a tribute is terrible card design. The shift and piercing effect just magnify it =/ Originality + Bad Design = Bad card Just because it's original doesn't make it good, and it's stupid to argue Originality > Design. Honestly, avoid the petty insults that have nothing to do with the topic, like the comment about my post count. You're walking a thin line. [/quote] [img]http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png[/img] and how is you telling what's wrong with it any help? Yeah, I don't see any solutions you're suggesting? that's why, in fact, you [b][i]are[/i][/b] a spammer. [quote] This section is about WELL DESIGNED realistic cards. If bad design isn't unrealistic, I'll make a Lv. 4 DARK Dinosaur that wins the duel when summoned and cannot be negated. [/quote] Yeah, seems like you didn't see that I said BAD CARD DESIGN =/= UNREALISTIC, so your dinosaur is really just the stupidest example you could give. If it's not broken aka if it's balanced, any card's fine on here. If Konami can do it, so can I. also, bad card design = bad card? Tell it to Gorz. Anyways, this is pointless. Either suggest a fix or stop posting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1328855790' post='5808059'] and how is you telling what's wrong with it any help? Yeah, I don't see any solutions you're suggesting? that's why, in fact, you [b][i]are[/i][/b] a spammer. Yeah, seems like you didn't see that I said BAD CARD DESIGN =/= UNREALISTIC, so your dinosaur is really just the stupidest example you could give. If it's not broken aka if it's balanced, any card's fine on here. If Konami can do it, so can I. also, bad card design = bad card? Tell it to Gorz. Anyways, this is pointless. Either suggest a fix or stop posting here. [/quote] Seriously, more petty insults? =/ I'm not a spammer, you just can't see to see your card be called out on being bad design. The card's terrible design. I can't tell you what to change, because we're not supposed to change the "Integrity" of the card. I mean, really. I explicitly said the terrible design is because it has a high DEF, and the other effects make it worse. Hint hint wink wink edit that so the defense isn't so high. This card isn't balanced. It's bad design. It might not be broken, but there is a line between broken and balanced. Arguing "Konami does it" is stupid because Tour Guide, Tengu, DAD, Judgment Dragon, Wind-up Zenmaity, Black Luster Soldier - envoy of the end, and more. Yes, bad card design = bad card. In the sense of design. You're taking my comment out of context to bring Gorz into this which shows you know what you're doing is stupid and you're just doing it for lulz. How about you stop acting so high and mighty? =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='drcrisis' timestamp='1328855785' post='5808058'] Utterly broken. A good way to fix this card is to add this. While face down, this card loses 1000 defence. Also, it should not flip facedowns with effect. That would make it OP. You should just make it turn all opponents atk to def, so its a book of moon you have to wait for. piercing would still make sense and it would allow you to take down pesky beaters. [/quote] flipping facedowns is the least OP'd thing about this, if there is any. And book of moon? It's nothing like book of moon, really. But I guess I could lower the DEF in some way[quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1328856101' post='5808064'] blah blah blah blah blah blah, [b] lower the def[/b], blah blah blah. How about you stop acting so high and mighty? =/ [/quote] okay. That's all I asked for. No point in lecturing me or telling me how to play the game. So maybe you should take your own advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1328856985' post='5808069'] That's all I asked for. No point in lecturing me or telling me how to play the game. So maybe you should take your own advice. [/quote] What advice? There is a point, because you can't glean info from my post or admit you messed up ._. If you'd actually designed it right, I wouldn't call it bad design. If you weren't snippy, I wouldn't lecture Honestly, with a good effect, the DEF needs to be 2000-ish, then you'll complain I ruined the integrity of the card and blahblahblah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 well the going to def position is a good idea, reminds me of Stumbling to an extent, though that one doesn't negate flip effects so yours is better in that aspect still, getting 1 monster to do piercing isn't really much the card Meteorain already does that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1328857192' post='5808086'] What advice? [/quote] [quote]How about you stop acting so high and mighty? =/ [/quote] [quote]There is a point, because you can't glean info from my post or admit you messed up ._.[/quote] There is no point because I don't care. And by asking for fixes you think I believe my card's brilliant, huh? [quote] If you'd actually designed it right, I wouldn't call it bad design. If you weren't snippy, I wouldn't lecture [/quote] I'm really the wrong person to lecture, so don't try it. [quote]Honestly, with a good effect, the DEF needs to be 2000-ish, then you'll complain I ruined the integrity of the card and blahblahblah. [/quote] No I wouldn't. AGAIN, I'm asking for fixes, how does that make it seem like I don't want to change anything? I'm fixing the def, as I already said twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1328857499' post='5808094'] well the going to def position is a good idea, reminds me of Stumbling to an extent, though that one doesn't negate flip effects so yours is better in that aspect still, getting 1 monster to do piercing isn't really much the card Meteorain already does that...... [/quote] Stop. Posting. This. Crap. Meteorain is terrible. This card is bad design. Stop telling people to make their cards into WORSE design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I didn't say Meteorain was crap, I was merely telling a similarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1328857559' post='5808098'] Stop. Posting. This. Crap. Meteorain is terrible. This card is bad design. Stop telling people to make their cards into WORSE design. [/quote] /not spamming. Seriously, I don't want my thread locked. Leave rag alone, you think by telling him that it'd stop him from posting? Good luck with that. It depends on the people whether they'd listen to him or not. Besides, he didn't even tell me to change anything so YOU seriously need to stop "posting.this.crap." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 actually Gandorator I kind of was hoping you'd add a little bit more because piercing for 1 turn isn't really good...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1328858000' post='5808102'] /not spamming. Seriously, I don't want my thread locked. Leave rag alone, you think by telling him that it'd stop him from posting? Good luck with that. It depends on the people whether they'd listen to him or not. Besides, he didn't even tell me to change anything so YOU seriously need to stop "with.this.crap." [/quote] Just doing my duty. Icy won't lock it for me telling Rag to shut up, so get over yourself. So... It's spam when I don't outright say what to change even though I hint at it... But... It's NOT spam for him to just assess the card? Interesting. Your card still needs to be edited, btw. [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1328858083' post='5808105'] actually Gandorator I kind of was hoping you'd add a little bit more because piercing for 1 turn isn't really good...... [/quote] No. Stop. It doesn't need anymore unbalance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 it wouldn't be considered imbalance because it depends on the monster you're selecting and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1328858193' post='5808106'] Just doing my duty. Icy won't lock it for me telling Rag to shut up, so get over yourself.[/quote] That's not your duty. And I don't care what Icy would do. I consider the rules against spamming in this forum. [quote]So... It's spam when I don't outright say what to change even though I hint at it... But... It's NOT spam for him to just assess the card? Interesting.[/quote] It's spam when you write walls of text of nothing helpful. When rag does it, it's at least short. And sometimes, he is helpful. [quote]Your card still needs to be edited, btw.[/quote] I will. 2300 DEF, might remove the "flip effects are not activated" but that's not really that big of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 well why WOULD you want flip effects activated in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1328858775' post='5808112'] well why WOULD you want flip effects activated in the first place? [/quote] there are hardly any worth-noting flip effect monsters I need to be wary of. That's why it doesn't really matter that much if I leave that effect or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 true, though the flip negating I see no point in keeping just to play it safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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