CDDRodrigo Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Make it have 2000-2200 DEF. Make it Level 5 (For Xyz purposes) or leave it at Level 6 (for the same purposes). That should do it. Black's right, although a little bit... "over concerned" on the way he speaks. The card is indeed bad design, but once you do my suggestions, then it should be fine. There are plenty of badly designed cards that dictate the current game state, but that's no excuse to create a card with that basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 overcocerned I think is an understatement here..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1328873554' post='5808223'] overcocerned I think is an understatement here..... [/quote] At least he's actually giving good feedback. :I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1328888281' post='5808463'] At least he's actually giving good feedback. :I [/quote] I suggest you look in the mirror, Xander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1328907893' post='5808862'] I suggest you look in the mirror, Xander. [/quote] I shouldn't get pissed off of the fact that you're trying to insult me, but I know I will. You really have no right to insult me, or try to instigate that I'm not giving good feedback, because I wasn't even insulting you in the first place (in this topic, anyways), just stating that Black was giving more feedback than you in this thread (which to all decent ygo players would agree). tl;dr: You lacked a decent argument to defend yourself, so you used the cowards way out, ie "look in the mirror" card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Black's actually quite bad and I don't see why anyone would be scared of this at all. This is only okay the way it is, nothing that would actually be played outside of stall. There is far too much destruction in the game to make this viable and even then this card would probably still only be okay at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1328913269' post='5809124'] I shouldn't get pissed off of the fact that you're trying to insult me, but I know I will. You really have no right to insult me, or try to instigate that I'm not giving good feedback, because I wasn't even insulting you in the first place (in this topic, anyways), just stating that Black was giving more feedback than you in this thread (which to all decent ygo players would agree). tl;dr: You lacked a decent argument to defend yourself, so you used the cowards way out, ie "look in the mirror" card. [/quote] yeah you just keep convincing yourself you weren't trying to do that, you need to look at more indirect ways I was merely giving some tips to Gandarator for how to improve it, nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1328913603' post='5809141'] yeah you just keep convincing yourself you weren't trying to do that, you need to look at more indirect ways I was merely giving some tips to Gandarator for how to improve it, nothing more [/quote] Rag... You didn't give advice. You just told him to give another effect to a card which is otherwise fine as it is. You need to work on that honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hey guys, let's listen to this particular guy who thinks Earthbound Immortals are overpowered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 soooo, this is actually fine as it is? that's good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1328851421' post='5807998'] Explain to me why being able to set a 3000 DEF monster is good design. Explain to me why it basically cripples your Opponent's field upon flipping. Explain to me why it has the totally random piercing effect. This card is a random jumble of effects and bad design, honestly =/ [/quote] all that has needed to be said has been said here [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1328852607' post='5808023'] How about you actually learn card design, and don't get snippy when someone calls you on a bad card? A 3000 wall isn't necessarily broken, but it's certainly terrible design. The fact that it has an effect in addition to that is just plain stupid. Most monsters have High ATK low DEF that are played. You know, Rai-oh, Hyperion, and other cards of the sort. You give it a flip effect, then argue that battle's invalid? What? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense at all. Also, why the eff not is a terrible argument and shows you're not really thinking about the design at all, and means you really shouldn't be posting here =/ It's a cluster of effects that really don't all belong together and make the card horribly designed. It's a wall that costs nothing but a normal summon (Early game that's eally good to set this), switches all their monsters to face-up DEF without wasting advantage, and gives piercing to kill said monsters with, potentially allowing for an OTK, I'm sure. The only plus side to it is that you made it level 6 so it's not a RotA target [/quote] and here want a fix? lower the defense, and take out the piercing. like said above original + bad design == bad card. this card is OP'ed as hell and you need to tone it down quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 [quote name='Konata Izumi :3' timestamp='1328977218' post='5810478'] all that has needed to be said has been said here and here want a fix? lower the defense, and take out the piercing. like said above original + bad design == bad card. this card is OP'ed as hell and you need to tone it down quickly [/quote] oooo, another expert here to express their expert opinion. "I need to tone it down quickly" Or what? Hot acid will rain down on me and dissolve my eyeballs? Honestly, I decided not to change the card. Judge however you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drcrisis Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 [font=comic sans ms,cursive][size=6]What I can understand here is this.[/size][/font] [font=comic sans ms,cursive][size=6]Flip : All to face-down defence. This allows piercing[/size][/font] [font=comic sans ms,cursive][size=6]damage with your banishing. Get this card into the graveyard (SOMEHOW, This should be fixed) Then give a monster on your field the ability to pierce the face-down defence monsters.[/size][/font] [font=comic sans ms,cursive][size=6]Pretty good, just OP Defence for a Normal summon/set. Have a good look at Beast King Barbaros if you want an idea on what stats your card should have if set [/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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