thekazu4u Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [img]http://yugico.com/customcard/25478.jpg[/img] [left]When this card is Normal Summoned: Change it to Defense Position. You can then discard 1 card from your hand to Special Summon 1 Level 4 or lower monster from your opponent's Graveyard.[/left] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 that's ok, the lv4 or lower monster will be used for xyz material or something you should have added that too that the lv4 or lower monster can't be used for that this one is fine, at least it knows it's weak in atk, and 2000 def will hold up fine against most lv4s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1329031442' post='5812181'] that's ok, the lv4 or lower monster will be used for xyz material or something you should have added that too that the lv4 or lower monster can't be used for that this one is fine, at least it knows it's weak in atk, and 2000 def will hold up fine against most lv4s [/quote] The whole point is sort of XYZ'ing. Summon, get an opponent's 4 star, xyz into utopia, .... , profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Do you even think how the card could affect the game state before you make the cards? Seriously, most cards you make are broken. ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1329063367' post='5812650'] Do you even think how the card could affect the game state before you make the cards? Seriously, most cards you make are broken. ._. [/quote] Actually I do... the question is if this is broken. It is basically a level 4 or lower Autonomous Action Unit, where you can't use it as a Synchro Material Monster, and with a solid body. And you have to normal summon it anyways. So basically all I am doing is making it a monster and putting a whole ton of restrictions on autonomous action unit. If you really want me to give it back the 1500 LP cost, I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1329064009' post='5812656'] Actually I do... the question is if this is broken. It is basically a level 4 or lower Autonomous Action Unit, where you can't use it as a Synchro Material Monster, and with a solid body. And you have to normal summon it anyways. So basically all I am doing is making it a monster and putting a whole ton of restrictions on autonomous action unit. If you really want me to give it back the 1500 LP cost, I will. [/quote] WHY ARE YOU THIS BLOODY IGNORANT? ._. So what if the monster SS'd by this effect cannot be used as Synchro Material? You're still taking your opponents monster and you will obviously Xyz with it. Really, this game already has enough cards that allow you to Normal Summon Xyz from the Extra Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1329065153' post='5812680'] WHY ARE YOU THIS BLOODY IGNORANT? ._. So what if the monster SS'd by this effect cannot be used as Synchro Material? You're still taking your opponents monster and you will obviously Xyz with it. Really, this game already has enough cards that allow you to Normal Summon Xyz from the Extra Deck. [/quote] So do you want me to remove the no synchro limitation and instead put in a "discard 1 card" cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1329068378' post='5812744'] So do you want me to remove the no synchro limitation and instead put in a "discard 1 card" cost? [/quote] How in the f***ing hell did you take that from my post? I did not suggest to get rid of that restriction, as without it, it would be even more broken. Gawd, you're so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1329068523' post='5812748'] How in the f***ing hell did you take that from my post? I did not suggest to get rid of that restriction, as without it, it would be even more broken. Gawd, you're so bad. [/quote] If I still had the restriction, it would be practically useless. Nobody would use it. I mean, even without it, it would be a Summoner Monk that can discard anything (not just a spell) to get a card from the opponents Graveyard, instead of your deck. obviously, your deck is much better than opponent's Graveyard. Even without the restriction, it is still 99% eclipsed by summoner monk. If we keep the restriction on it, it just got rid of that last 1%. Seriously, take a step back from bashing me for a second and realize that what I am saying would make it a weaker version of what we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1329070080' post='5812779'] If I still had the restriction, it would be practically useless. Nobody would use it. [/quote] BECAUSE XYZ DON'T EXIST, AMIRITE? Really, at the moment, it's a costless, instant Xyz. Without the restriction, it's a better version of Summoner Monk because you can steal any Level 4 or lower to get any Level 6+ Synchro Monster. And you think that version would still be worse than Summoner Monk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1329070796' post='5812790'] BECAUSE XYZ DON'T EXIST, AMIRITE? Really, at the moment, it's a costless, instant Xyz. Without the restriction, it's a better version of Summoner Monk because you can steal any Level 4 or lower to get any Level 6+ Synchro Monster. And you think that version would still be worse than Summoner Monk? [/quote] This is assuming that they conveniently have a level 2+ tuner in their graveyard. It is not a costless instant Xyz, you still have to discard (i.e. same as summoner monk) and they have to have a level 4 monster conveniently in their Graveyard. According to your logic, Autonomous Action Unit == Premature Burial. Since it gets from THEIR graveyard, its use depends on what they are playing. The discard 1 gives it a cost, while making it level 4 or lower (not just level 4) makes up for the fact that instead of getting it from your deck you are getting it from your opponent's Graveyard. To me, it feels like (1) since it depends on what they are playing it encourages player interaction, and (2) it can be a 2 card for 1 XYZ/synchro card, which there are already many of, none of which are considered particularly broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1329071662' post='5812803'] This is assuming that they conveniently have a level 2+ tuner in their graveyard.[/quote] Because you having a Level 1+ Tuner in your Graveyard (ie Spore / Glow-Up / Plaguespreader) is so unheard of? [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1329071662' post='5812803']It is not a costless instant Xyz, you still have to discard (i.e. same as summoner monk) and they have to have a level 4 monster conveniently in their Graveyard.[/quote] At the time I stated that the card was a costless Xyz, the card was in its original form, ie you hadn't edited it yet. And really, what are the chances of your opponent having a Level 4 or lower monster in their Graveyard? PRETTY F***ING HIGH. Thunder King Rai-Oh, Spore / Glow-Up / Plaguespreader / Formula Synchron etc. etc. [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1329071662' post='5812803']According to your logic, Autonomous Action Unit == Premature Burial.[/quote] It pretty much does if you'd actually think about it, just worse and only affects your opponent. [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1329071662' post='5812803']To me, it feels like (1) since it depends on what they are playing it encourages player interaction[/quote] You actually think cards that give access to your opponents Graveyard encourages player interaction? Does that mean Monster Reborn encourages player interaction as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1329073571' post='5812824'] Because you having a Level 1+ Tuner in your Graveyard (ie Spore / Glow-Up / Plaguespreader) is so unheard of? [/quote] Not unheard of, but depends on what deck you are playing against. Vs. Wind Up / Inzektors this card would be virtually useless. [quote] And really, what are the chances of your opponent having a Level 4 or lower monster in their Graveyard? PRETTY F***ING HIGH. Thunder King Rai-Oh, Spore / Glow-Up / Plaguespreader / Formula Synchron etc. etc. [/quote] Yep, fairly high. That is why this card is good. The downside is if you draw it when they dont either have a tuner OR a level 4 monster, then it is a dead card. And even if they do, it is still just a -1 for a rank 4 XYZ/Synchro, which is basically what summoner monk is. [quote] You actually think cards that give access to your opponents Graveyard encourages player interaction? Does that mean Monster Reborn encourages player interaction as well? [/quote] Monster reborn does not, but this does. in this card's case, if you are playing against something like Inzektors where you do not need any of their monsters, then it is a dead draw. In monster reborn's case, you can still always fall back on your own monsters. I still don't see how this card is any better than summoner monk. You say "oh it can get out rank 4 XYZs and up to Level 8 Synchros" but so can summoner monk, and this card is more situational and has basically the same cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drcrisis Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Tl;Dr Dumb broken XYZ Spam /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Still nobody is able to explain to me why it is any better than Summoner Monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.