Resident Fascist Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 but because YCMaker is a lazy a*$, I had to use a proxy card instead [center][img]http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4394/207626b.jpg[/img][/center] [center]V1.1:[/center] [center]2 Level 4 Monsters Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material and Target 1 Card your Opponent controls, and 1[b] Other[/b] Monster you control. Send both targets to the Graveyard, their effects cannot be activated in reponse to this card's activation. [i][b]if you activate this effect, this card cannot Attack this turn.[/b][/i][/center] [center]sue me[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Weise Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Nice! You found a way around the fact that the free version doesn't let you use the XYZ template. Good artwork too, but maybe change the effect to "non-token monster". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 [quote name='Ryan Weise' timestamp='1329450558' post='5822005'] Nice! You found a way around the fact that the free version doesn't let you use the XYZ template. Good artwork too, but maybe change the effect to "non-token monster". [/quote] why only non-token type monsters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroque in Paradise Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1329452861' post='5822047'] why only non-token type monsters? [/quote] Because then you get shenanigans like using Tokens from Doppels, Fires of Doomsdays, and so forth for the card you control. Oh and also Inzektors (there IS such a thing as Hopper, Kabutron, AND the upcoming Wig, that supply Level 4's). With nondescript mats like that, he's made splashable and so of course would be if made real -- another thing to consider when making cards. Speaking of which, I have to wonder why Order-Sol didn't acknowledge my post in his OTHER card topic I posted in . . . After I went and produced at least 3 scenarios where said card would be horribly abused, as had been asked for. Really, if trying to make 'realistic' cards, said cards should be conceivably playable -- if one doesn't want to get criticized for them being too good, pains should be taken to consider how they would be used in the game -- and how people could possibly ABUSE them -- and how real cards are worded to avoid such abuses. In this case, I can see Gladiator Beasts, Crystal Beasts, [i]Inzektors[/i], Wind-Ups, and so forth [i]gladly abusing[/i] the cheap, easy use of his effects. He'd give Inzektors extra push, Wind-Ups would be able to use it about as well as they use every other Lv3-5 Xyz, Crystal Beasts would be able to use it to avoid backrow clogging, and Gladiator Beasts . . . well, how would YOU like to tag out of a Gyzarus into another two pops via Darius and Murmillo with no risk of Murmillo getting smashed next turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted February 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 [quote name='Baroque in Paradise' timestamp='1329469309' post='5822322'] [i]Inzektors[/i], Wind-Ups, and so forth [i]gladly abusing[/i] the cheap, easy use of his effects. He'd give Inzektors extra push, Wind-Ups would be able to use it about as well as they use every other Lv3-5 Xyz, [/quote] [i]Good [/i]Inzektors are level 3, lol. I love how you'd assume that they'd care to go into this after Hornet Nuking anyway, you'd rather just go Acid Golemn+Zenmaines. And just because a card is abusable in Situation X doesn't mean it needs nerf Y, or Banlist attention Z. Gladiator Beasts are Tier 2.5, at best. Most meta decks simply stomp them anyway, and wind-ups have better things to make(Daigusta Emeral/Tiras/Volcasaurus) And I didn't ignore you, I'm trying to find a way to balance it other than being boring and making it once per turn, lol. Crystal Beasts arn't even on the tier list, and 1 xyz wouldn't put them on the tier list. Basicially, what you're saying is "[i]This deck has level 4s! They are easy to summon! This card is abusable!" [/i]Other than that it's a 2200/2400 beater which REVICE Dragon, a rank 3 can run over. It's only likely to hit 1 card and if you die because it hit one card you're just bad at the game. Which is why Scrap Dragon is balanced. And Scrap Dragon can be summoned incredibly easily, like this. Scrap Dragon has 2800ATK, at best this will have 2400 when it attacks. Inshort, it's balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 [quote name='Ryan Weise' timestamp='1329450558' post='5822005'] Nice! You found a way around the fact that the free version doesn't let you use the XYZ template. [/quote] Free version....? There's a paid one? Of what YCM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroque in Paradise Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 [quote name='Order-Sol' timestamp='1329503924' post='5822750'] [i]Good [/i]Inzektors are level 3, lol. I love how you'd assume that they'd care to go into this after Hornet Nuking anyway, you'd rather just go Acid Golemn+Zenmaines. And just because a card is abusable in Situation X doesn't mean it needs nerf Y, or Banlist attention Z. Gladiator Beasts are Tier 2.5, at best. Most meta decks simply stomp them anyway, and wind-ups have better things to make(Daigusta Emeral/Tiras/Volcasaurus)[/quote] Inzektors: I love how you'd assume that they'd willingly pass up something that gets past destruction negation. You made it a Send To Grave that the victim can't save itself from. Gladiator Beasts: Disregarding the thought of tiers, because that way lies negligence, there's the fact that again, it's giving GBs a way to quickly do another pop -- one that doesn't run the risk of hitting destruction protection. I'll give you the Crystal Beast one, though the idea of giving them a way to spend their backfield clog for safe pops still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. [quote name='Order-Sol' timestamp='1329503924' post='5822750'] Other than that it's a 2200/2400 beater which REVICE Dragon, a rank 3 can run over. It's only likely to hit 1 card and if you die because it hit one card you're just bad at the game. Which is why Scrap Dragon is balanced. And Scrap Dragon can be summoned incredibly easily, like this. Scrap Dragon has 2800ATK, at best this will have 2400 when it attacks. Inshort, it's balanced. [/quote] You seem to forget the part where you made your monster a Beast-Warrior, and the part where Beast-Warriors have a [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Horn_of_the_Phantom_Beast"]Trap Card that equips to them for 800 ATK and draws when it kills something by battle[/url]. That Number 17 is more than likely going to run into not a 2000 beater, but a 2800 beater that they thought was going to be the former. When making a card a given type, please keep in mind the support that type itself gets first. The effect itself isn't bad, but having it so easy to get out is inviting trouble -- if I were to list every deck type that can get 2 Level 4 monsters out, even if I were to ignore Rescue Rabbit, I would be blue in the face by the time I was done. Even just making the mats require a given attribute would make it less alarming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Well, you'd only run horn in Beast-Warrior T.G. Builds anyway. It says send because Zenmaines/Gachi/Other Walls is actually sorta bad for the game so they deserve to get screwed over. Though, I might make it so you can chain to it, or even force the opponent to chain to it if the timing is applicable, as that would add a bit of uniqueness. I'll probably ditch the ATK gain effect to, seeing that's sorta stupid. And we need more RC members like you, you actually give good criticism, thanks. Making a small update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanPark24 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 [quote name='TheGreatEnguin' timestamp='1329506183' post='5822801'] Free version....? There's a paid one? Of what YCM? [/quote] That's what I'm wondering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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