Guest xbon Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Christian and i believe in god, cause, I had many miracles happen to me when i prayed, and etc. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abstract [Atrocity] Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I am, as I call it, an "open-minded" christianI belive in god. I do not belive that if you are not a regular christian, you will still go to a "higher place" if you believe that the universe was created by 1 all-knowing being (so all those little differences between regular christian, catholic, ect don't matter since you belive in the same guy). Although I am skeptical of what heaven is, or if it exists. Scenario:You die one day. You find yourself in a room with nothing, then a holographic touch-screen appears in front of you. It has a bunch of options, like "live another life" oir "go to heaven". You pick what you want and live it out. That's my abstract thinking. We'll never know what happens until we die. If we do come back we'd probably lose all memory of the previous life. We could be living our millionth life right now! And when the world ends, god creates a new one and sends us back, without any knowledge of anything before, like an eternal test to see how strong our faith is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 As for me, Athiest. In kindergarten, I heard a girl in my class say "God created us". After school I went to my parents and asked, "Who's God?" my parents explained it to me, and almost immediatly I thought the idea was stupid. Suprisingly, I know more about the bible than most people in my school do. As for thoughts, I used to belive that we are but a thought. That if the thing that thought us didn't think the thought anymore, we would be gone without knowing it. After about a day I scrapped the idea. I am still looking for that logis, insightful idea and the person who posted this thread gave me that idea. Thanks. I also think that religon was only created to keep people together (with an exception of some) but backfired. I.E. Roman polythiestic religon. Copied from the greeks and was probably a way to keep the empire together. The other monothiestic religons (Christian, Catholic, Islamic, Jewish etc.) were actually used as a real belief in faith but later used in countries as an excuse to: get more money, take over countries, and keep people in line. I.E. If your not Christian your a witch!! God does not want theses savages on our planet!! And the taxes the priests put on blessings in Midieval times. Lol got carried away there. All in all, I Loooove simplicity! Conversations like this are like a rubick's cube. Fun at first, then you just want to do something else. Also they can go on for hours. Look at my age if you got a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 What bugs me is how people always refer to God as a "Man with a Flowing White Beard who lives in Heaven" I always thought that was very Sexist. And sorry to sound Corny here but someone said to me as a Joke once "Adam & Steve not Adam & Eve) Kinda makes sense in the whole Homosexual discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abstract [Atrocity] Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 One thing I forgot to state, sorry if this throws a wrench is someone's gears. Didn't they just find Noah's Ark at the same place the bbible said it landed after the flood? Isn't that like a big middle finger pointed at athiests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 No' date=' you don't imagine the perspectives of the living people while you're dead, you imagine the perspective of the living people because you're incapable of imagining your perspective.[/quote'] No. You hold no perspective. Death is the ultimate liberation, because you have no opinion, emotion, or thought of this world once you achieve it. It is the utmost freeing thing there is, to be free of suffering by surrendering all that is dear. If death is thrown your way, and it must be taken, what can you do? Nothing, we would have to accept death in that situation, or die in vain and frantic misery. The only reason we live is because natural instinct keeps us alive so that we can produce more DNA. Any other reason was developed into you by how you were raised, or even was there before you were born, being prone to the fear of death and the unknown plagues human beings, and it's probably more natural than anything. We don't want to die, because our body pushes the emotion of fear onto us when we think about it, and this fear makes us develop reasons to live, so we can feel like we have some sort of purpose in this life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism Purpose of God? Purpose of Self? To be completely honest, its you who would make that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Woo! First Jew to post! So' date=' yeah. I'm a Jew, and I believe in God, though not everything that I've learned during Hebrew School, because when there's enough scientific evidence of something, I'll believe in it, reasonably. I believe in the Big Bang,In Evolution,and in a lot of other things that religious nuts would condemn me to Hell for. I also believe that Heaven isn't a big fluffy place in the sky, but rather the Garden of Eden, and that some traditions are rather silly, like Shamash, because when God put that 'rule' into effect, he couldn't have known about the ease in which we use our electrical devices. I don't keep Kosher, because frankly, there are too many non-Kosher foods that I like, but I respect those who do. Something that I will always follow is no sex before marriage, not due to religion, but because I think sex is the final act you should perform with someone, and you should only do it with someone you want to spend the rest of your life with. There are a lot of times where I just think about what will happen after my death, and during those times a lot of doubts cross my mind, but I believe anyway, and I think that makes me stronger as a person. Emotionally, I'm pretty weak as a person. I'm prone to emotional injury rather than physical, and I will admit to crying when I get upset. It's just something I need to deal with, but I don't think it's linked to God at all. A final note: I don't think God intervenes in our current lives. That's why so much crap is happening. He's just waiting for us in the afterlife, and won't affect our free will on Earth.[/quote'] This is why Jews are better than Christians. He does not speak like god is required to help him, which it seems to me that most Christians believe (Silenceleader excluded from this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoshIcy Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 No' date=' you don't imagine the perspectives of the living people while you're dead, you imagine the perspective of the living people because you're incapable of imagining your perspective.[/quote'] No. You hold no perspective. Death is the ultimate liberation, because you have no opinion, emotion, or thought of this world once you achieve it. It is the utmost freeing thing there is, to be free of suffering by surrendering all that is dear. If death is thrown your way, and it must be taken, what can you do? Nothing, we would have to accept death in that situation, or die in vain and frantic misery. The only reason we live is because natural instinct keeps us alive so that we can produce more DNA. Any other reason was developed into you by how you were raised, or even was there before you were born, being prone to the fear of death and the unknown plagues human beings, and it's probably more natural than anything. We don't want to die, because our body pushes the emotion of fear onto us when we think about it, and this fear makes us develop reasons to live, so we can feel like we have some sort of purpose in this life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism Purpose of God? Purpose of Self? To be completely honest, its you who would make that decision. quite a logical person yourself are we? id say thats about 5th class logic.... 1st class being absolute state of logic.... and 7th class being no logic...... thats my scale... i consider myself a 3rd class logical person.... and yeah its my own term to use.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 No' date=' you don't imagine the perspectives of the living people while you're dead, you imagine the perspective of the living people because you're incapable of imagining your perspective.[/quote'] No. You hold no perspective. Death is the ultimate liberation, because you have no opinion, emotion, or thought of this world once you achieve it. It is the utmost freeing thing there is, to be free of suffering by surrendering all that is dear. If death is thrown your way, and it must be taken, what can you do? Nothing, we would have to accept death in that situation, or die in vain and frantic misery. The only reason we live is because natural instinct keeps us alive so that we can produce more DNA. Any other reason was developed into you by how you were raised, or even was there before you were born, being prone to the fear of death and the unknown plagues human beings, and it's probably more natural than anything. We don't want to die, because our body pushes the emotion of fear onto us when we think about it, and this fear makes us develop reasons to live, so we can feel like we have some sort of purpose in this life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism Purpose of God? Purpose of Self? To be completely honest, its you who would make that decision. quite a logical person yourself are we? id say thats about 5th class logic.... 1st class being absolute state of logic.... and 7th class being no logic...... thats my scale... i consider myself a 3rd class logical person.... and yeah its my own term to use.... Judge me as you wish, if that is how you wish to state that you think in a superior way than I do, you may think that, however, the truth is self evident, that you have not shown much to argue by, and are not actually showing how logical you really are. That said, it is only fair for me to assume that your logic is not more than what you have shown it to be thus far, and from what I have seen, it is little more than moot. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoshIcy Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 no... i am not better or more logical than you are, nor am i stating mine is superior in anyway... maybe i shouldnt have put a scale.... but as i see it, it is a 2 way road and neither has a good result... the higher up you are the more crippled you become in the sense of emotion and the lower you are the less gray you see.... as such i do see your thinking as superior.... trust me that was a compliment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 well i'm in the losing faith stage, i am a Muslim and what wonders me is how our religion is binding, unbelievably and what annoys me is that i never get help from god or anyone when i need, i alt lost faith, my friends try to help my fight and believe and my parents just shout at me for losing faith and i believe i'm an Atheist. i am shameless now, care about nothing and don't give a sheet to what happens because sheet happens, i get people annoying me and i'm looking more of an emo now, i mean i get no respect and when i pray for god to help me i cant find help at all, and they expect me to believe when no one listens or believes me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoolMeNever Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I'm an open-minded christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 You die one day. You find yourself in a room with nothing' date=' then a holographic touch-screen appears in front of you. It has a bunch of options, like "live another life" oir "go to heaven". You pick what you want and live it out. [/quote'] How'd you know exactly how I view the afterlife? Only I add "stay in Valhalla." That's my abstract thinking. We'll never know what happens until we die. If we do come back we'd probably lose all memory of the previous life. We could be living our millionth life right now! And when the world ends' date=' god creates a new one and sends us back, without any knowledge of anything before, like an eternal test to see how strong our faith is.[/quote'] Which is why I don't like the idea of monotheism. It would mean that life itself would simply be a plaything of some ascended being. It's still really great to see the variosu religions of the forum. In the lead so far are the Abrahamic monotheists, followed by the atheists, followed by the agnostics, and with the polytheist in last. Logic seems to dominate our beliefs, which is good, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferro Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 im a catholic and im proud of it..my dad is a deacon and he has taught me well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:/Jishin//Enigma/:. Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Ah, Sweet! you belive that the Aten is God!, vey logigal! and I agree with you, that a couple religions are correct. Ineresting guy! your thinking the same things I belive. Also I belive that another world happend before us it ended with the apocalypse/big bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzi Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 [align=center]I'm atheist.There might be something out there, but chances are it's not God. It may decide our fate, it may be the actual universe, but it might just, not exist. Meh. Short speech. I'ma finish with one last sentence:If it was proved to be real, as mentioned in the Bible, and other holy books, it means one of three things:- We had a lucky guess.- We were guided to the truth by the "God".- Our ancients had a way to see the future, or communicate with the "God".[/align] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:/Jishin//Enigma/:. Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Yeah like Kizzi said, no one ever proved anything about religion. So I don't belive in anything till its proved. Ooh like kon said we don't know till we die. Oh and I don't belive in "wrong or right" it was never set down, a individuale dicides what they do and if they do something viewed "Wrong" by society they get throw in jail, maybe they think there doing a right thing well righ by society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Requiem Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I'm a christian, but I don't believe in god because there are times I prayes and nothing happened. So I try to focus on logic and see if ther is meaning in somethings that happen in this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silencerleader Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I'm just an open-minded Catholic who lives life with the people around me. I have friends who are atheist and Jewish, etc. My point being that I respect them and they respect me. I live on with life...simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slash Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Im Christian..... I believe in God fully ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I'm a christian' date=' but I don't believe in god[/quote'] The definition of "christian" is "one who worships Aten/God and Christ." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cael Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I'm a christian' date=' but I don't believe in god because there are times I prayes and nothing happened. So I try to focus on logic and see if ther is meaning in somethings that happen in this world.[/quote'] Just because you pray doesn't mean that God should give you something. There are people who are much more horribly off than you are who should get rewarded for praying if anyone should. God helps those who helps themselves. He isn't around to help you with your minor problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterOfMagicians Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 I was raised, educated, baptized, and eventually confirmed into the Methodist church. After studying different religions throughout my life I have deemed that there is no correct religion. That mankind has simply manifested a higher power in order to curb fears of death. It has always been an unsettling thought that we will just simply cease to exist for mankind. Events that brought me to this conclusion:1) The Christian Bible. The bible was written from interpretation of the biblical scrolls, which can no longer be located. Nobody knows the location of the scrolls, and even if we could find them, the language they are written in is a dead language, so the best we could manage is a rough translation. After centuries of the bible, King James comes around, and re-writes the bible based off of his interpretation. Now, centuries later, how are we so sure we have the 'correct' version of the bible? Numerous other religions have come into existence, even before Christianity was founded. There are now thousands of different religions throughout the world, how can any one of them be correct? 2) All religious influences with deities in them stem from Egyptian, Roman, and Greek beliefs. The ideals behind multiple deities may have changed through religions but the storylines and sequence of events remains the same. Example) In Greek Mythology, Zeus condemned his son Hercules to traverse humanity because he was not a god, although he possessed some god-like abilities. He was mortal, thus could be killed, and eventually rejoined his father on Mount Olympus after aiding humanity for an unknown number of years. In Christianity, god gave his son, Jesus to live on Earth, who also possessed many god-like abilities, but was mortal. He eventually rejoined his father at the gates of heaven, after helping humanity after an unknown number of years. 3) All religion without deities stems from scientology. Some modified version of "The Big Bang" theory with no real basis in fact, and no real solid belief in an afterlife or a higher power. Now, out of these three different facts, I have determined there could not possibly be any single correct religion, and have chosen not to practice any single relgion, or any religion at all. Thus, my religion is the lack of religion. I am what you would call Athiest.Some see it as sinful,Some see it as logical,my favorite saying though, out of everything would have to be: Athiest: God's loyal opposition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpazzeOut Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 jspamax, Supreme Gamesmaster Yddisac are both right it causes to much trouble for many people out there i'm really confused still on the situation so when people ask me i look up and i say "i don't know" and i walk away. Honestley i don't really like talking about it. But here i am talking about it :( not anyones fault but mine. And agree to MasterOfMagicians you are a very smart and logical person.Bah you reminde me of someone i know. and i see you in almost every forum im in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 ok i belive a bit of all religions are correct like karma is gods way of paying you back for being a bassif you live a rele crap life then you get reincarnatedbut if you live an amazing liek then you go to heaven ..well not heven as such liek your soul moves on somewhere i dunno and god not rele a god but it was there scince theibg bang 4000000000 years of eveoloution to be able to be aware of ourselves and have such a great knowlage of the world to just die nah it cant work liek that also with thoose ppl that pray to god what do u expect a blinding light to englulf you and make things better also dont work that way but yes god CAN make things happen and i kno i sound really religious, but i just belive there is sothong out there a higher being capable of inifinate things but then with the whole free will thing karma is the souloution to that you cant mess with free will fate dont exist but karma dus its liek you can go murder somone BUT eveentually somthing will happen to you thats not fate its karma i kno i sound weird but this is what i belive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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