Darth Revan of the Sith Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 [b]Bashar Hafez al-Assad[/b] is the current President of Syria and is corrupt. The son of a previous leader of Syria, he has been corrupt since his election. He took away the Syrian people's civil rights, he constantly overlooked and stalked his own people and forbid such things as Freedom of Speech or expression. His country is in deep economic trouble and the people suffer. From 2010 and on, Syrian protesters have gathered in the hopes of ousting this corrupt son of a b*tch. However he has not only refused to step down but has replied with violence. Unlike Libya, the Syrians have no way of creating a full rebel army to fight against the regime. By January of 2012 over 7,000 civilians in Syria have been killed by his regime. He has captured and tortured political oppossers and has ordered the killing of anyone who spoke against his rule. When I first learned of Bashar in 2009 I immediately knew he was not fit to be President. Back then the protests had ceased to exist yet and Syria's problems were largely ignored. In 2009 I immediately attempted to start a movement that would help convince rulers of other countries to step in and oust him themselves. The movement attempt failed, noone believed some random president of Syria would do such damage to a country. I knew differently but what was I to do? I kept spreading the word on websites hoping some spark would go off or something would start but it didn't and by the beginning of 2010 I gave up almost although I still talk about it. Three months after I gave up my fight against Bashar I joined YCM. Recently I was called out by someone who said I did not advocate for certain tragedies I spoke of going on in the world. Truthfully I felt I would never get a real thing going so I felt there was no point in trying on YCM I mean I originally thought to myself *What do they care?* This is my attempt at rebooting what I once started. The crisis in Syria is growing and peacetalks are not working no matter what the Western Powers seem to think. He refuses to cooperate and continues the massacres going on in Syria. He is a bastard who's greed has killed thousands of Syrians since his election in 2000. Nobody believed me in 2009 but now there is undeniable proof of what he is doing. What Kony did has happened and the devastation is seen everywhere in Uganda. However what Bashar is doing has the potential to get worse. More people will die if the people all around the world do not at least attempt to spread the word and convince the governments that he must be ousted and that talks will do nothing. Kony is starving and dying, but Bashar is healthy as a mule. And he is proud. And he has the support of extremists like the Iranian President. Let us see if this reboot actually gets anywhere. Nobody listened to me in 2009 when I predicted he would do this sh*t but nobody cared. Well now people are dying and the deathtoll can rise unless we do something. YCM I know I am a crazy MOFO who according to popular majority has the most radical opinions ever and is full of bigotry and stupidity, but this man is a phsycho and unlike Kony, Bashar is in a seat of power. Please YCM I don't care what you think about me or my opinions but please spread the word or something I don't care what. The crisis continues and more Syrians die the more we do nothing. This is what I fight for. *Verbally* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THROWDOWN Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Make a 20 minute video explaining the situation, should do the trick on raising awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 [quote name='THROWDOWN' timestamp='1331341203' post='5863704'] Make a 20 minute video explaining the situation, should do the trick on raising awareness. [/quote] I wish I could get someone else to do that as I am not good with cameras. However I do have a friend *The only gosh darn guy to believe me at first* he has a camera and a youtube account. I betchya I could get him to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 [b]Extremely [/b]old news is old. I guess that saying it on YCM is not gonna help at all really. Only people who can help are western powers like basically America and the European Union. That's it. And both are aware of Syria's situation, and some action has already taken place. Most countries have policies against meddling in other countries' affairs, so you can't just ask countries to step in. Basically, the other countries involved in the Arab Spring have been lucky enough to change their whole country's politics in less than two years. Syria, Jordan, etc. haven't been so lucky. The chances of changing the whole of Syria and putting some sort of military crackdown on this guy? Near 0%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1331341911' post='5863732'] [b]Extremely [/b]old news is old. [/quote] Too bad noone listened to me in 2009. And it is not Extremely old. These protests started in 2011. Way younger then the Kony 2012 video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 [quote name='Cronus' timestamp='1331342033' post='5863738'] Too bad noone listened to me in 2009. And it is not Extremely old. These protests started in 2011. Way younger then the Kony 2012 video [/quote] The protests started in 2010 overall. I think it was a decent prediction that pretty much most Middle Eastern countries were gonna suffer the same fate. I really don't think there's much you actually can do. You have to let natural political flow take its path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Sending in troops is thebest possible action to oust him. We let the natural political flow take its path and more people die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 >Syria is a very small speck on the radar >They have connections with China and Russia which neither Europe nor the US are willing to wish breaking their ties with Yeah nothing's going to happen, we'll leave them to sort it out. Also, your sig makes you look even more retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1331342412' post='5863749'] I really don't think there's much you actually can do. You have to let natural political flow take its path. [/quote] [i]A terrorist is a terrorist, regardless of what the concentration of the crimes that person is doing it in. If it still happens, then, something's gotta be done. [/i] You said this about Joseph Kony. There is something we can do and we can do it now. Those people are dying. We can't just do nothing. We need to send in troops and get al-Assad out of power. [quote name='evilchris' timestamp='1331346599' post='5863869'] >Syria is a very small speck on the radar >They have connections with China and Russia which neither Europe nor the US are willing to wish breaking their ties with Yeah nothing's going to happen, we'll leave them to sort it out. [/quote] The US has already declared sanctions (Although not enough) on Syria however he still refuses to back down. Syria's problem is a helluva lot bigger than this Joseph Kony controversy. You think because Syria is a small spec on the radar that they don't deserve a better future? No offense but that is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 [quote name='Cronus' timestamp='1331364067' post='5864138'] [i]A terrorist is a terrorist, regardless of what the concentration of the crimes that person is doing it in. If it still happens, then, something's gotta be done. [/i] You said this about Joseph Kony. There is something we can do and we can do it now. Those people are dying. We can't just do nothing. We need to send in troops and get al-Assad out of power. [/quote] That is was in reply to the criticism of Kony dying out. That's only true because Kony was relatively unknown compared to the recent Arab Spring and bin Laden etc. Pretty much everyone [i]should [/i]be aware of Syria's situation. You can't do anything now. If you recall, none of the Arab Spring countries received direct military help, and the Kony situation hasn't either. The only help I remember that countries like Libya even received was the destruction of tanks and things via aircraft. No military help though. Bringing troops into Syria not only would generally bring more casualties, and that it's against country policy to interfere directly, but also it has a possibility of triggering civil war in the Middle East. Besides, when I say something has to be done, I mean something sensible. The only thing that can be done with Kony is to provide search teams and awareness, not to casually invade Uganda and Congo and raid the place for Kony. Similarly, Syria is in a position outside of help. Awareness is useless as everyone is already aware, you cannot provide military help, so the obvious thing is to just let things happen. Of course there are things that can be done, just not very many. [b]Now [/b]is a very strong word. The other Arab Spring countries didn't end their protests in a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuimicVital Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 [quote name='THROWDOWN' timestamp='1331341203' post='5863704'] Make a 20 minute video explaining the situation, should do the trick on raising awareness. [/quote] I know this is sarcasm, but it may be one of the few courses you could actually take, but I think that if you do so during KONY2012's popularity, you won't get any result. Although everything I said is hypothetical thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 If you are that concerned about just one idiot, then why not infiltrate Syria and assassinate Assad? It works everywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1331498733' post='5866386'] If you are that concerned about just one idiot, then why not infiltrate Syria and assassinate Assad? It works everywhere else. [/quote] I should say the same for the Kony 2012 activists. And I do not want him killed. I want him imprisoned and overthrown by the US or some other country. This "Idiot" has ended 7,000 peoples lives. Just like that. A life that just ends. Those lives are precious and for him to take them away, he has no right. More people will die if we don't urge government officials to do more than they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='Cronus' timestamp='1331510500' post='5866778'] I should say the same for the Kony 2012 activists. And I do not want him killed. I want him imprisoned and overthrown by the US or some other country. This "Idiot" has ended 7,000 peoples lives. Just like that. A life that just ends. Those lives are precious and for him to take them away, he has no right. More people will die if we don't urge government officials to do more than they are doing. [/quote] tbh, a man like him has no worth in this life. It is quicker and easier to assassinate him than just cause a full-scale assault just to capture one man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1331514592' post='5866880'] tbh, a man like him has no worth in this life. It is quicker and easier to assassinate him than just cause a full-scale assault just to capture one man. [/quote] Have we a right to end a life? No. Have we a right to detain him to prevent him from causing more chaos? Yes. We kill him, then we are no different than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='Cronus' timestamp='1331516250' post='5866925'] Have we a right to end a life? No. Have we a right to detain him to prevent him from causing more chaos? Yes. We kill him, then we are no different than him. [/quote] Cut the crap and kill the bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Perhaps you can say the same thing with Osama Bin Laden. He killed 3300 people in America. Because of that, American Forces killed Osama Bin Laden. Can you say that the United States dropped down to his level? Besides, trying to capture him will only lead to more death, which worsens the situation at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuimicVital Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1331601834' post='5868348'] Perhaps you can say the same thing with Osama Bin Laden. He killed 3300 people in America. Because of that, American Forces killed Osama Bin Laden. Can you say that the United States dropped down to his level? Besides, trying to capture him will only lead to more death, which worsens the situation at hand. [/quote] Although I totally agree with you, I still think Bin Laden's death involves too much mystery.... Unrelated: Just saw news here about an incident in Lybia due to this man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 [quote name='Cronus' timestamp='1331516250' post='5866925'] Have we a right to end a life? No. Have we a right to detain him to prevent him from causing more chaos? Yes. We kill him, then we are no different than him. [/quote]So we have the right to kill his soldiers to capture him, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocana Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 >OP wants something done >doesn't provide the means to do anything What have you accomplished by posting this thread, exactly? "awareness" is all nice and well, but YCM isn't exactly CNN. s*** doesn't get viral from here. You haven't provided us links to donate, or offered any other way of helping. I'm not sure what you want me to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 The Kony video, which I wholeheartedly despise for its religious undertones, targeting of teenagers specifically (who by nature are stubborn and single-minded, so will take to the cause like a duck to water) and misrepresentation of the situation as a whole. However, one good thing it did do was encourage the US to do a bit of entirely moral foreign policy. Foreign policy generally is "we attack or take action when our own national security or that of an ally's is threatened or when our economic assets overseas are in danger". Because of the whole Kony affair, the US did something entirely on a moral pretence. Until that becomes general foreign policy, Syria being cleared up shall never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocana Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 [quote name='Dт. Михаи́л Ботви́нник PчD' timestamp='1332183472' post='5878759'] The Kony video, which I wholeheartedly despise for its religious undertones, targeting of teenagers specifically (who by nature are stubborn and single-minded, so will take to the cause like a duck to water) and misrepresentation of the situation as a whole. However, one good thing it did do was encourage the US to do a bit of entirely moral foreign policy. Foreign policy generally is "we attack or take action when our own national security or that of an ally's is threatened or when our economic assets overseas are in danger". Because of the whole Kony affair, the US did something entirely on a moral pretence. Until that becomes general foreign policy, Syria being cleared up shall never happen. [/quote] It has nothing to do with the oil in Uganda. Nope. And even it there weren't, it wouldn't make the US's actions moral. The military advisors were sent because of public pressure, not because they thought it was the right thing to do. Speaking of military advisors, IC advocates military action to remove Kony. That sounds very moral. And I don't remember any religious undertones to the Kony vid (unless you're tlaking about the one scene where Jacob talks about how he'll see his brother in heaven...?), and I'm fairly certain that's a dumb reason to hate the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Don't particularly approve of intervention in Uganda or Syria(but don't disavow), but: [quote name='Vairocana' timestamp='1332185398' post='5878821'] It has nothing to do with the oil in Uganda. Nope.[/quote] Lol, do anything anywhere foreign and suddenly it's about oil. That conspiracy theory is tired and unimaginative. Uganda doesn't have any significant oil deposits, and an excuse to expand military bases is a far more reasonable accusation. [quote]And even it there weren't, it wouldn't make the US's actions moral. The military advisors were sent because of public pressure, not because they thought it was the right thing to do.[/quote] Saying that people wanted it before they did it doesn't negate the action's "moral" value, or at the very least not all of it. [quote]Speaking of military advisors, IC advocates military action to remove Kony. That sounds very moral.[/quote] Using a military to eliminate corrupt figures of power does sound pretty moral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocana Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 [quote=] Lol, do anything anywhere foreign and suddenly it's about oil. That conspiracy theory is tired and unimaginative. Uganda doesn't have any significant oil deposits, and an excuse to expand military bases is a far more reasonable accusation.[/quote] [img]http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/templates/159.jpg[/img] [quote=]Saying that people wanted it before they did it doesn't negate the action's "moral" value, or at the very least not all of it.[/quote] I see morality very much tied into intent of action. But that's a very big and nebulous can of worms that I don't really want to open. [quote=]Using a military to eliminate corrupt figures of power does sound pretty moral. [/quote] It doesn't sit well with me for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1331601834' post='5868348'] Perhaps you can say the same thing with Osama Bin Laden. He killed 3300 people in America. Because of that, American Forces killed Osama Bin Laden. Can you say that the United States dropped down to his level? Besides, trying to capture him will only lead to more death, which worsens the situation at hand. [/quote] The US killed 109032 Iraqis including approximately 66081 civilians in the Iraq war as per Wikileaks. That's just deaths reported in the media too, other sources give vastly higher numbers. [quote] [b][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties"]Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll[/url][/b] conducted [b]August 12–19, 2007[/b], estimated [b]1,033,000[/b] violent deaths due to the Iraq War. The range given was 946,000 to 1,120,000 deaths. A nationally representative sample of approximately 2,000 Iraqi adults answered whether any members of their household (living under their roof) were killed due to the Iraq War. 22% of the respondents had lost one or more household members. ORB reported that "48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance."[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-update-21"][22][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-ORB-22"][2[/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-ORB-22"]3][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-LAtimes2007sept14-23"][24][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-ORB3-24"][25][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-medialens-25"][[/url][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-medialens-25"]26[/url][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-medialens-25"]][/url][/sup][/quote] [quote] The [b][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties"]Lancet study's[/url][/b] figure of [b]654,965[/b] excess deaths through the end of [b]June 2006[/b] is based on household survey data. The estimate is for all excess violent and nonviolent deaths. That also includes those due to increased lawlessness, degraded infrastructure, poorer healthcare, etc. 601,027 deaths (range of 426,369 to 793,663 using a 566% [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_interval"]confidence interval[/url]) were estimated to be due to violence. 31% of those were attributed to the Coalition, 24% to others, 46% unknown. The causes of violent deaths were [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunshot"]gunshot[/url] (56%), [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_bomb"]car bomb[/url] (13%), other [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion"]explosion[/url]/[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery"]ordnance[/url] (14%), [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airstrike"]airstrike[/url] (13%), [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident"]accident[/url] (2%), unknown (2%). A copy of a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_certificate"]death certificate[/url] was available for a high proportion of the reported deaths (92% of those households asked to produce one).[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-lancet2006-27"][28][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-supplement-28"][29][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-29"][[/url][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-29"]30[/url][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#cite_note-29"]][/url][/sup][/quote] Then there's the fact that Osama was obviously a scapegoat as evidenced by everything, not the least of which being [url=http://www.public-action.com/911/robotplane.html]this[/url] and [url=http://911review.com/means/standdown.html]this.[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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