Starblitz Dragon

[Blake]

[center][size=6][b]CORRECT LORE IS BELOW THE CARD NOT ON IT[/b][/size][/center]

[center][img]http://i42.tinypic.com/2ut50sn.jpg[/img][/center]

[center]2 Level 9 Monsters
[b]You can also Xyz Summon this card by using 1 face-up Rank 8 Xyz Monster you control as the Xyz Material. (Xyz Materials attached to that monster also become Xyz Materials of this card.) You cannot activate this card's effect the turn you Special Summon this card this way unless the Xyz Material was a LIGHT monster. Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; Destroy 1 card your opponent controls.[/b][/center]

[center]The idea of the card is to give more utility to rank 8s in a similar manner to how Gaia Dragoon gives Rank 5 and 6s support. Didn't allow it to use Rank 7s as not to abuse Dragoon and did not make it rank 10 as not to abuse Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon.[/center]

[center]Image credit to Sword-Summoner.[/center]

[ekko1990]

The problem with this card is that decks that can pull this off would rather keep the monsters they could use to exceed summon this card as the effect is rather weak compared to how much you use to summon this card in addition to its average attack.

I would suggest buffing the attack up by a hundred or two so that it doesn't get run over by a simple red-dragon archfiend or blue-eyes.
The effect can be done in multiple ways. You could f.ex. allow multiple uses per turn (removing the once per turn), make it banish the card instead, give it a negation effect instead (or something like that considering the name starblitz dragon) or let it destroy a larger number of cards on a single hit (while still keeping the once per turn).

Other than that, it is a rather good idea considering the current rank 8 which can become mere beatsticks in certain situations as their effects cannot be used.

[Blake]

[quote name='ekko1990' timestamp='1332550900' post='5885814']
The problem with this card is that decks that can pull this off would rather keep the monsters they could use to exceed summon this card as the effect is rather weak compared to how much you use to summon this card in addition to its average attack.

I would suggest buffing the attack up by a hundred or two so that it doesn't get run over by a simple red-dragon archfiend or blue-eyes.
The effect can be done in multiple ways. You could f.ex. allow multiple uses per turn (removing the once per turn), make it banish the card instead, give it a negation effect instead (or something like that considering the name starblitz dragon) or let it destroy a larger number of cards on a single hit (while still keeping the once per turn).

Other than that, it is a rather good idea considering the current rank 8 which can become mere beatsticks in certain situations as their effects cannot be used.
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Did you read the first part? The part about overlaying on a rank 8? Because the best Rank 8's terrible at battling, and why would you se Lv. 9s for this unless we get some equivalent of Hieratics for Level 9s?. Also, how on earth is 3000 ATK "Average"? Anything more would be too much and overcompensating.

This card is borderline too good as is and I'm kinda worried I made it too much. If I use Giant Killer twice and then turn it into this, it's a free +1 on top of a monster that can make itself a +1 even when it's summon is a -1. And BEWD and RDA are both meh/bad cards that cannot run over this. Ram into, yes, but not run over.

Honestly, give real examples of how this is goodbad, not just "This seems not worth it". Pretty sure a +0 3000 beater is worth it if the Level 9s were easy to get out.

[Partangle the Candle Jangler]

Well...the image won't load for me but judging by the above post it's around 2800, which is a really weak rank 9.
The effect is really useless IMO. It's a rank 9, one card destruction is TNOTHING. Needs to be made stronger.

[Blake]

[quote name='Ęɳɢuǐɳ' timestamp='1332551707' post='5885826']
Well...the image won't load for me but judging by the above post it's around 2800, which is a really weak rank 9.
The effect is really useless IMO. It's a rank 9, one card destruction is TNOTHING. Needs to be made stronger.
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It's 3000/3000 and is able to be summoned by simply havign an R8 out. How is that weak? Please enlighten me.

Think about existing Rank 8s and think about Gaia Dragoon. A simple evolution beatstick is good.

Then think about Gustaph Max and Acid Golem. Higher Rank =/= Higher ATK always.

[Partangle the Candle Jangler]

I didn't say 3000/3000 was weak, I said 2800 wad. Also Acid Golem's ATK is totally balanced out by it's effect, which is why it's how it is.

[Blake]

[quote name='Ęɳɢuǐɳ' timestamp='1332552089' post='5885836']
I didn't say 3000/3000 was weak, I said 2800 wad. Also Acid Golem's ATK is totally balanced out by it's effect, which is why it's how it is.
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Acid Golem is 3000/3000. Leviathan is basically 2500. Gustaph Max is 3000/3000. Lavalval Chain and Daigusto Emeral are 1800 ATK. It's all relative.

2800 with a card pop is weak? Tell that to Scrap Dragon.

And the fact remains you didn't tell me how to fix this, just said it was bad. So, mind being constructive?

[Partangle the Candle Jangler]

You want me to be constructive? I actually kinda gadped when I read that since I do recall when I posted that rank 1 with two materials it took you 3-4 posts to say something other than "It isn't good".
I'm out of this topic.

[Valkyrus]

Hmm, I'm not sure how to feel about this card. While it's similar to Gaia Dragoon there's a big difference in effects, since all Gaia does is piercing damage while this has a more versatile effect than Adreus, and even more ATK and can be summoned out of basically thin air.

I suggest you give it a weaker effect since it having 3000 ATK is already enough of an advantage. And even if that was all it had I'd still tech it in any Rank 8 deck because you can finally overlay Giant Killer into something with actual ATK points.

[size=1]also, I like how similar this card's name is to a card I recently made. Just tells me I think of cool names~[/size]

[Blake]

[quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1332557102' post='5885874']
Hmm, I'm not sure how to feel about this card. While it's similar to Gaia Dragoon there's a big difference in effects, since all Gaia does is piercing damage while this has a more versatile effect than Adreus, and even more ATK and can be summoned out of basically thin air.

I suggest you give it a weaker effect since it having 3000 ATK is already enough of an advantage. And even if that was all it had I'd still tech it in any Rank 8 deck because you can finally overlay Giant Killer into something with actual ATK points.

[size=1]also, I like how similar this card's name is to a card I recently made. Just tells me I think of cool names~[/size]
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See, people, this is what you should be doing. Hell, he figured out it's meant to cover Nubmer 15: Gimmick Puppet - Giant Killer's weaknesses.

Anyways, I was concerned about it being a bit too much, so... Any ideas on weaker? Restricting it to face-down makes it vulnerable to chainable stuff, and making it face-up only means its effect will usually be taken care of by 15 before it comes out .~.

Maybe make it more like Scrap Dragon? =o

And you actually did inspire the name, but it was on a subconscious level. I came back after I posted this and saw it just above your thread and facepalmed at myelf xD

[Valkyrus]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1332557420' post='5885877']
See, people, this is what you should be doing. Hell, he figured out it's meant to cover Nubmer 15: Gimmick Puppet - Giant Killer's weaknesses.

Anyways, I was concerned about it being a bit too much, so... Any ideas on weaker? Restricting it to face-down makes it vulnerable to chainable stuff, and making it face-up only means its effect will usually be taken care of by 15 before it comes out .~.

Maybe make it more like Scrap Dragon? =o

And you actually did inspire the name, but it was on a subconscious level. I came back after I posted this and saw it just above your thread and facepalmed at myelf xD
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Thanks for the like :'D

For a fix, maybe if it can't use its effect on the very same turn it was summoned with an overlayed Rank 8 monster it'd balance it out somewhat. (Same kinda nerf as ptolemys).

[Blake]

That is... Actually a really good idea.

Alright, card is edited to have Ptolemys clause on it.

YAY FOR STILL BEING A +1 WITH GIANT KILLER =D

And now I feel less conflicted on it being too good.

[ekko1990]

Ok, last I checked Hieratic Sun Dragon Overlord of Heliopolis is not terrible at battling and it has the same summoning requirement as Giant Killer.
Also, the reason that I state 3000 atk is "average" is because almost all high end, quick beatsticks have 3000 atk (blue-eyes, red-dragon archfiend, grapha with gates, acid golem and gear gadjiltron dragon to name a few often used ones).

Anyways, now the card is basically useless, as it is fairly easy to destroy by battle and especially card effects in addition to that its effect will not help you do much other than popping the single card your opponent has left (and if its that close to the endgame you have hundreds of better cards to do it with). I do like the idea of having the Ptolemys clause on it though.

I do have to admit that I didn't think of using the effect as soon as it was summoned (for some wierd reason) which was a bit powerful, but now it won't do much since its effect (if you manage to keep it around for that long) and attack is not high enough to make up for the costs used to summon it.

[Blake]

[quote name='ekko1990' timestamp='1332610545' post='5886539']
Ok, last I checked Hieratic Sun Dragon Overlord of Heliopolis is not terrible at battling and it has the same summoning requirement as Giant Killer.
Also, the reason that I state 3000 atk is "average" is because almost all high end, quick beatsticks have 3000 atk (blue-eyes, red-dragon archfiend, grapha with gates, acid golem and gear gadjiltron dragon to name a few often used ones).

Anyways, now the card is basically useless, as it is fairly easy to destroy by battle and especially card effects in addition to that its effect will not help you do much other than popping the single card your opponent has left (and if its that close to the endgame you have hundreds of better cards to do it with). I do like the idea of having the Ptolemys clause on it though.

I do have to admit that I didn't think of using the effect as soon as it was summoned (for some wierd reason) which was a bit powerful, but now it won't do much since its effect (if you manage to keep it around for that long) and attack is not high enough to make up for the costs used to summon it.
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But Giant Killer is far superior to Ennead, and Ennead's not even good in Hieratics where it was meant to be used. Giant Killer is a +1 in and of itself, so giving it a 3000 body after that could make it a +2 was a bit much.

No one runs stuff with more than 3000 ATK except HEROes. How is that easy to destroy by battle?

Arguing that card effects destroy is like saying we shouldn't walk outside because the sun might give us a sunburn. Try again.

How is a 3000 beater on top of a +1 bad?

Honestly, any example you've given is easily invalidated. Especially because you cited Ennead and ignored the power it has with Giant Killer. So, try again.

Also, buffed it slightly.