This Account is Unplayable Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 But why do you want to kill the deck, more than hurt it? Killing a deck is not a good thing to do, when you can leave it as a viable choice, only weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 How would you kill the deck by Limiting Rat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 You kill of one of their main Xyz resources. A Wind-Up deck without Rat becomes weak, very weak, the combo plays become useless and you have no method of recycling cards. If you hit the Hunter, and ban it, the deck loses the hand loop, and a card that wasn't helping them otherwise anyway. Then if you remove the Zenmaighty (to 1) you lose the silly OTKs. At this point, the deck remains as a quick, albeit weak in terms of strength, Xyz spam deck, and it can actually be what it was meant to be. Rat remains, allowing them to have SOME topdecking ability, and it actually allows them to make plays to keep up with other decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Or you could leave Hunter alone and simply put Zenmaighty to one. Hunter doesnt NEED to be banned. Zenmaighty needs to go to 1. But yeah, now I feel rather stupid about Rat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 As long as Hunter exists, people will find ways to abuse it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Find a way with Zenmaighty at one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Why would you leave space for loops to be made in future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 I feel like I should awnser with "It encourages creativity" but then I laughed. You still havent found another loop. With Zenmaighty at one, how many people with actually run Hunter? Unless they release another broken Windup, which knowing Konami they will, but hopefully they learned from this, Hunter is really quite useless with Zenmaighty at one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1332855001' post='5890749'] Why would you leave space for loops to be made in future? [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 If Konami is smart (lol), there wont BE any future loops. I'm asking you to find one NOW. With Zenmaighty at one, find a loop that abuses Hunter too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Why would I even need to now, in the current cardbase? As it stands, Zenmaighty's still at 3, as is Hunter, as is every Wind-Up. In a future card base, it's possible they could create another loop. It's also possible that it could happen in the middle of any format. Why not just ban it so they don't have to restrain themselves on card design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 If we lose the loop, nobody will run hunter because it becomes bad. If we lose hunter people will still run everything else, there will just be no loop. This is a case of when people thought that Infernities should lose everything from Archfiend to Necromancer, then Konami stopped them by limiting 1 card. Why limit the looping cards when you can get rid of the looped cards? This is why Trish should've been banned before Fishborg and stuff were. People kept finding retarded loops and abusing it. Konami finally figured this out and banned Trish. This is also probably why Brio is still around, it's not the abused card, it's the abuser. You don't loop Brio until you win, you use brio to make loops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 But like I said, Hunter in itself is a good card. Even if it was banned, if Zenmaighty went to one, Hunter really wouldnt be used that much. And I think you're evading me. In a format with Zenmaighty at one, you cant find a decent loop that abuses Hunter. EDIT: Thank you B. Hunter is in the same position as Brio. Thats kinda what I was trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 [quote name='~Spike~' timestamp='1332856568' post='5890772'] EDIT: Thank you B. Hunter is in the same position as Brio. Thats kinda what I was trying to say. [/quote] I DID NOT SAY THAT. Hunter is in the same position as Trishula as it is the one getting looped. Brio is in the same position as Zenmaighty as it is the one that enables the loops. Read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Did you even read what I said? Because you don't act like you read what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Aaaaand, now I will go kill myself. But I still think Zenmaighty should be Limited, and Hunter left alone. EDIT: Chris, I did. I'm simply quite curious as to whether you can actually find a way to abuse Hunter with one Zenmaighty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 We need whoever figured out how to 5 card drop with 1 Zenmaighty :/ I'm gonna look for it.[color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][quote][/size][/font][/color] [color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]TGU > Bus > Magician[/size][/font][/color] [color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]SS Shark > Magician for Magician > Shark 3 > Magician for Hunter[/size][/font][/color] [color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] for Zenmaity > Bus puts it back[/size][/font][/color] [color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Shark and [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] for Maity > Rat > [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] > [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] for Zenmaity[/size][/font][/color] [color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]2 Magician for Emeral > Bus/TGU/Zenmaity for +1[/size][/font][/color] [color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Rat and [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] for Zenmaity > Rat > [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] > [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] for Zenmaity[/size][/font][/color] [color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Salvage Shark and Maity > Rat and [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] for Zenmaity > Shark + Rat > [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] > [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] for Zenmaity[/size][/font][/color] [color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]??? (for eg: Shark and [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] for Leviathan > Detach [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] > Reborn [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] > [/size][/font][/color][color=red][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Hunter[/size][/font][/color][color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] for Rat)[/quote][/size][/font][/color] [size=4]Canadi[/size][size=4]an posted this btw.[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Thank you. Now I do agree that Hunter needs to go. Thats nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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