The Beginnings of a [Perfect] OCG Guide

[Hiinst]

my point DJ is that you cannot have two concurrent contradictory systems. If the new wording is correct, then by definition the old wording it has replaced is incorrect. there is a correct way of saying things. The correct way is defined by the authority. If the authority defines a new method, the old method is no-longer correct.

[Junk Raver]

my point DJ is that you cannot have two concurrent contradictory systems. If the new wording is correct' date=' then by definition the old wording it has replaced is incorrect. there is a correct way of saying things. The correct way is defined by the authority. If the authority defines a new method, the old method is no-longer correct.

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I do understand what your saying, but it can also been seen like this;

 

New OCG is just an updated version of something existing, it does not make the prexisting thing incorrect.

 

Like these 2 sentences;

 

'I want to go shopping and buy some fruit'

 

'I wanna go to the shop and get some fruit'

 

Both in this example, mean the same thing, just 1 is a more formal better way of saying it, it still doesnt mean the other is incorrect, as it still means the exact same thing, just in different words;

 

thats my point.

 

Another point is also, members are used to their lores, and do not like being told that they have card errors because they did not use new OCG, their cards are fine within Old OCG rights, and that was a part of yugioh, so its still correct, the wording makes sense, its just worded in a different way, its still correct, its not an error.

 

People should be allowed to word their cards in any OCG type they want, Old or New, without being told its wrong, and threads that concerntrate on 1 thing out of a whole, is only going to throw ideas into others heads that this way, that new OCG, is the only correct way, when it isnt.

 

This is just design, and its fun, who cares if you word things differently, as long as it is within reason to have been or is correct at a stage of yugioh OCG lores, it should be fine.

[JerryFreelance]

my point DJ is that you cannot have two concurrent contradictory systems. If the new wording is correct' date=' then by definition the old wording it has replaced is incorrect. there is a correct way of saying things. The correct way is defined by the authority. If the authority defines a new method, the old method is no-longer correct.

[/quote']

 

I do understand what your saying, but it can also been seen like this;

 

New OCG is just an updated version of something existing, it does not make the prexisting thing incorrect.

 

Like these 2 sentences;

 

'I want to go shopping and buy some fruit'

 

'I wanna go to the shop and get some fruit'

 

Both in this example, mean the same thing, just 1 is a more formal better way of saying it, it still doesnt mean the other is incorrect, as it still means the exact same thing, just in different words;

 

thats my point.

 

But alas, that's not what this is...

 

This is:

 

Cotton Gin vs. Hand-picking cotton.

 

Simple as that.

[RickiMinaj]

actualy

New OCG and Old OCG are only in slight in difinciate

though kazuki's real cards use new OCG there are some constantly produced old cards that still consist of there old OCG

and the only reason they made new and old OCG was to trick copywriters and ppl who produced fake cards

There is really no need to be fighting over such an abandonment of a discussion

Oh and i can stop using big words if u want me to ..... XD

[Junk Raver]

my point DJ is that you cannot have two concurrent contradictory systems. If the new wording is correct' date=' then by definition the old wording it has replaced is incorrect. there is a correct way of saying things. The correct way is defined by the authority. If the authority defines a new method, the old method is no-longer correct.

[/quote']

 

I do understand what your saying, but it can also been seen like this;

 

New OCG is just an updated version of something existing, it does not make the prexisting thing incorrect.

 

Like these 2 sentences;

 

'I want to go shopping and buy some fruit'

 

'I wanna go to the shop and get some fruit'

 

Both in this example, mean the same thing, just 1 is a more formal better way of saying it, it still doesnt mean the other is incorrect, as it still means the exact same thing, just in different words;

 

thats my point.

 

But alas, that's not what this is...

 

This is:

 

Cotton Gin vs. Hand-picking cotton.

 

Simple as that.

 

You keep reminding me of professor dumbledore from HP with the word 'alas', brilliant word though ^_^

 

All i am saying is this thread should be like God Kaze's, it should include information regarding everything to do with OCG, if it is to truely help someone.

[JerryFreelance]

actualy

New OCG and Old OCG are only in slight in difinciate

though kazuki's real cards use new OCG there are some constantly produced old cards that still consist of there old OCG

and the only reason they made new and old OCG was to trick copywriters and ppl who produced fake cards

There is really no need to be fighting over such an abandonment of a discussion

Oh and i can stop using big words if u want me to ..... XD

 

Not really that big...

 

And those cards are no longer constantly reproduced... There are plenty in circulation. Plus, there is still the matter of having to re-do the entire card just to change OCG...

 

And that didn't make sense: "abandonment of a discussion"

 

What's that supposed to mean???

[Hiinst]

Dj.

 

This room is cool.

 

without context that means nothing. It could be referring to two different things.

 

If you change the meaning/usage of a word in a language you change the meaning of sentences in said language.

 

when all is said and done OCG is a language.

 

If you want people to make cards that alienate new players who have never seen Old OCG cards, the correct place to do so is not in a guide for new designers. Its like teaching alchemy in a class on quantum physics. Insane.

[Junk Raver]

I didnt get a clue of what you said Hiinst, and im rather glad, because those that use far to much logic often miss the little details that make a point.

 

Hiinst, can you not agree, that people should have a choice of what they use?

 

If people want to use old OCG, i say let them, i couldnt care less, this is just graphical design, and abit of fun, seriousness of concentrating on 1 part of a whole, does no-one any good.

 

All i ask is that Bhim include other aspects of OCG in this guide, to make it whole and give a greater understanding to the whole OCG history. It would help people more.

 

 

What i find more intriguing right now

 

is how formal you talk on comments

 

and then i see this;

 

and think just whats going on there?

 

 

Your getting involved in a discussion about OCG and yet you cannot even produce it correctly enough.

[Hiinst]

I never said I could. The reason I was reading this guide was to learn how to do it.

 

Just because you do not yet know how to do something properly does not mean you shouldn't try.

 

On a side note: you can't argue with logic. the only way to argue with logic is to use logic, thus defeating the object.You do not understand logic. It is not about little details or the grand scheme. it is about argument and proof which applies to every scale.

 

Including this very discussion, which you started, will confuse people more than if only new OCG was discussed. Choice doesn't enter into it. If people start walking around talking in Old-English only those who speak Old-English will understand. This alienates those who do not speak the language.

 

I am in favor of new OCG in the same way that I am in favor of finding a Grand Unified Theory of Everything. Just because you are in favor of something does not mean you know how to achieve it.

[Slash]

I can't wait to see the rest of this guide....

 

My cards never have really good OCG, and i think by reading this guide will help me :)

[Junk Raver]

This matter truely does not concern you if you are not accustom to old OCG.

 

The entire point is, people do as they choose

 

just as your choosing to read this guide, its your choice, and if someone told you not do read it, would you obey them or read it anyway?

 

its the same as using old and new OCG, if you used old, and someone told you not to, would you change it or keep it.

 

Its all about personal choice, and that choice can go either way, and whichever way it goes, is correct for the person who made that choice, as its what they personally feel they want to do.

 

Meaning

 

If someone wants to use old OCG let them, and if anyone disagrees with the fact they used it, they should simply not post telling them so, but offer a suggestion of possibly using new OCG if they want to.

 

This is what im trying to say

 

I want this thread, if it is afterall ment to be, a successful thread regarding OCG, i want it to include all aspects, new, old any OCG lores, and any personal choice people have regarding it, thats what God Kaze's had, and thats why it was better.

 

I here, am purely supporting those that dont care if people agree with there ways, it is their choice, and they will do it regardless.

[Hiinst]

It is not whether or not people should use old OCG that I am debating. I am sorry if you were under that impression. I have stated my point repeatedly: what people do does not matter in a free environment, what people are taught how to do matters. If the OCG keeps changing but people are still taught every variation then people would eventually have to know exactly which OCG is being used because as I have shown words change their meaning. As OCG changes people should be taught the most up to date version. That way those who do know old OCG will know what the new cards created mean and those that don't will also. Keeping a guide simple is the best way to teach. Thus this will be a better guide from that point of view.

 

P.s.I did say that choice didn't come into it. what people choose to do outside this guide is not the concern of the author. The only thing that matters within a guide is that the information within it is up to date.

[Junk Raver]

Precisely my point, and a good way to show its uptodate, is to show its history, and explain that different OCG existed before what was taught in this guide, that is what im asking for, without knowing you, in a way, agreed with my initial point.

 

My fear is this thread will make everyone aware of new OCG, and then when someone sees old OCG they will instantly flame the person with messages that their cards have errors, when in actual fact they havent.

 

So all i wanted was a mention that different OCG is out there, and people use it, that was my entire point.

[RickiMinaj]

im with hiinst and dj osiris

it dosnt matter wich ocg is used

but u gotta be up to date

and thats kinda hard when ur being taught so many

[Junk Raver]

im with hiinst and dj osiris

it dosnt matter wich ocg is used

but u gotta be up to date

and thats kinda hard when ur being taught so many

 

Only those who are New or, strive for excellence, need to be uptodate.

 

Those who do as they please or are simply not fussed, can stick to what they have been taught.

[RickiMinaj]

im with hiinst and dj osiris

it dosnt matter wich ocg is used

but u gotta be up to date

and thats kinda hard when ur being taught so many

 

Only those who are New or' date=' strive for excellence, need to be uptodate.

 

Those who do as they please or are simply not fussed, can stick to what they have been taught.

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i must agree there

*points to bhim*

[JerryFreelance]

Precisely my point' date=' and a good way to show its uptodate, is to show its history, and explain that different OCG existed before what was taught in this guide, that is what im asking for, without knowing you, in a way, agreed with my initial point.

 

My fear is this thread will make everyone aware of new OCG, and then when someone sees old OCG they will instantly flame the person with messages that their cards have errors, when in actual fact they havent.

 

So all i wanted was a mention that different OCG is out there, and people use it, that was my entire point.

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Two things I'm not so sure you're understanding:

 

More to come soon.

 

Cotton Gin vs. Hand-picking cotton.

[Junk Raver]

Cotton Gin vs. Hand-picking cotton.

 

Indeed i have never heard of what that phrase, term, groups of words means

 

And

 

'More to come soon.'

 

would not mean OCG history or any points i have made, as you would have mentioned it sooner and not let this discussion carry on.

 

^_^

[JerryFreelance]

'Cept I love arguing ^_^

 

Get in trouble a lot for it xD

 

So please don't let that ruin this argument.

 

And continue on ^_^

 

If you wiki "Cotton Gin" or "Eli Whitney", it'll all become way more clear.

 

It's an American thing; forgot you were British for a sec.

[Junk Raver]

No wonder i never heard of it lol

 

and its not an arguement, its a heated discussion, and to be honest i think its done, Hinnst has got their point across, and so have i, both even, and whats done is done ^_^

 

Unless Hiinst wants to continue, in which i will need to think of a continuation.

[JerryFreelance]

lol

 

Well, anyways, I figure I might as well elaborate.

 

The thing is, that before the invention of Eli Whitney's cotton gin, slaves in America were forced to hand pick cotton. It was extremely dangerous as there were extremely sharp pricks in the cotton that they had to pick out of th ecotton. It was extremely inefficient and the working conditions - as such - were horrid.

 

Then, Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin. What did this do? It sped up the production of cotton by so much, and it was much less dangerous than the previous means.

 

Do you understand the analogy?

 

With the invention of the cotton gin [AKA new OCG], everything was much better and easy and highly productive. Slaves could still do what they were doing before [old OCG], but what would happen then?

 

Well first, it would hurt [as in everyone would just tell them that there were OCG errors and no one would ever pay attention to the effect of how cool it really was], and second, it could get them sold or killed for being not outputting as much cotton as their friends and family [as in your reputation goes down].

 

Entiendes?

[Junk Raver]

Ahh i understand it now, but i myself use old OCG and yet my Reputation is still Level.

 

As i for 1, do not care what i use, as long as its been part of or is an OCG of some kind, i am perfectly happy to use it ^_^

[Hiinst]

You don't need to show that something is up to date. Just update it.

 

I am not suggesting that old OCG should be attacked, but neither am I suggesting that old OCG should be taught. Latin is still taught in some places. English however should be taught in every English speaking country. The same applies to OCG. Old OCG should only be taught to those specifically interested in doing old style cards. Not to everyone who wants to design a card.

[Junk Raver]

You don't need to show that something is up to date. Just update it.

 

I am not suggesting that old OCG should be attacked' date=' but neither am I suggesting that old OCG should be taught. Latin is still taught in some places. English however should be taught in every English speaking country. The same applies to OCG. Old OCG should only be taught to those specifically interested in doing old style cards. Not to everyone who wants to design a card.

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I dont think you understand my point;

 

I am not asking it to be taught like new OCG, im asking for it to be mentioned, so people are aware of its existance and that some people use it.

[arpeejajo]

Well' date=' I was planning on doing this a lon time ago, but then Shini decided to make one, but that one never got finished, so I guess I'll make one, [b']as I have yet to see someone with amazing OCG[/b].

Aww come on. You know some people with amazing OCG. *Points at Dj, Cybernetic, myself* XD

By the way, this is a good idea, but I agree with whoever it was that said this was opinionated.

Still, I can't wait to see it finished.