Agro Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 So I guess this somehow needs explaining...? Normal Summon Dfly Equip Dfly with Hornet, Zektcalibur Hornet pops Sword (-1 to -1) Sword adds Hornet (+1 to 0) Dfly Summons 2 Centipedes (+2 to +2) Centipede 1 uses hornet to pop anything (+0 to +2) Centipede searches Giga-Mantis (+1 to +3) Overlay Used Centipede and Dfly for Leviathan (-1 to +2) Detach Dfly Equip Centipede with Hornet, Giga-Mantis Hornet kills Giga-Mantis (-1 to + 1) Giga-Mantis Summons Dfly (+1 to +2) Centipede searches 2 Sword (or if you're running bad Inzektors, I guess Giga-Mantis too, or my preferred choice: another Dfly) (+2 to +4) Equip Dfly with Sword, Hornet Hornet pops sword (-1 to +3) Sword returns Giga-Mantis (+1 to +4) Dfly Summons 2 Inzektors (+2 to +6) Overlay Dfly and used Centipede for any Rank 3 (if you think there's a 3 Material Rank 3 worth going for then pop another card with Hornet and one of the SS'd Inzektors and go for it to keep the loop going. Then again, your only choice is Terrorbyte so that had better have a target worth taking) (-1 to +5) If you drew well or it's early, one of the last 2 Inzektors you SS'd was a Centipede, so you can equip with Giga-Mantis to search two more times and SSing a monster from the Grave to go into Acid Golem or some beatstick to finish the Opponent off. If you went into a 3 material Rank 3 for godknowswhatreason, you should have one more open space for a Dfly summon. (final net + approx equals +7 to + 10.) So basically the idea is, net massive plusses and continuously recycle Giga-Mantis. This usually results in a field of 4 or more monsters and an Opponent with nothing left on the field. It's kind of easily stopped, but it only really takes 2 cards in hand to win with, so if the Opponent lets their guard down for a second, they'll be done for. For some reason no one knew what I was talking about when I mentioned it so I thought I'd post it. [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzektor"]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzektor[/url] So I guess besides that, discuss Inzektors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 >Inzektors >Loop [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090813185930/yugioh/images/thumb/f/f2/FlippingtheTableVG-GX02.jpg/300px-FlippingtheTableVG-GX02.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 If two cards are dequipped from Dragonfly at the same time, you only get 1 summon. Nice try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1333853554' post='5905837'] If two cards are dequipped from Dragonfly at the same time, you only get 1 summon. Nice try though. [/quote]Lol, it's funny cause you're totally wrong. When two are dequipped at the same time, the rulings state that you Special Summon twice. Hilarious, right? I KNOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='Greiga te Jalokia' timestamp='1333841071' post='5905604'] [img]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/110/228/tumblr_lit07xDPOp1qzmowao1_500.jpg[/img] [img]http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/206/251/youhavegottobefuckingkiddingme.png[/img] [img]http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/203/622/areyoufuckingkidddingme.png[/img] [img]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/190/431/tumblr_ls8zr7rGPM1qj41h3o1_500.jpg[/img] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Ban Dragonfly or Hornet. I don't care which just ban one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 ^Centipede should get hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='Greiga te Jalokia' timestamp='1333853844' post='5905847'] ^Centipede should get hit. [/quote]This. With Centipede, it becomes a quick combo-oriented play, to a ridiculous, wtfisthisidon'teven raepfest.[quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1333853554' post='5905837'] If two cards are dequipped from Dragonfly at the same time, you only get 1 summon. Nice try though. [/quote]I should probably address this better. See, yes. If two cards are detached at the same time, it will only work once. The thing is, Hornet and the card it destroys are not detached at the same time. Hornet comes off as the cost, the other, from the effect. Therefore it's considered two different times and Dragonfly's effect chains to itself, allowing for 2 Special Summons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Inzektor_Dragonfly"]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Inzektor_Dragonfly[/url] If "[url="/wiki/Inzektor_Dragonfly"]Inzektor Dragonfly[/url]" is equipped with 2 Equip cards, and they are both destroyed simultaneously by the effect of "[url="/wiki/Heavy_Storm"]Heavy Storm[/url]", the effect of "[url="/wiki/Inzektor_Dragonfly"]Inzektor Dragonfly[/url]" only activates once, and only 1 monster can be [url="/wiki/Special_Summon"]Special Summoned[/url] from the [url="/wiki/Deck"]Deck[/url].[sup][url="#cite_note-1"][2][/url][/sup] What was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1333854206' post='5905856'] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Inzektor_Dragonfly"]http://yugioh.wikia....ektor_Dragonfly[/url] If "Inzektor Dragonfly" is equipped with 2 Equip cards, and they are both destroyed simultaneously by the effect of "Heavy Storm", the effect of "Inzektor Dragonfly" only activates once, and only 1 monster can be Special Summoned from the Deck.[sup][2][/sup] What was that? [/quote]Ninja'd you. You're still wrong. Hornet and the other equipped card are not destroyed simultaneously. This is a very commonly known effect, ruled at the last YCS a lot too as another example. (you can even find a feature match where that's the case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1333854300' post='5905858'] Ninja'd you. You're still wrong. Hornet and the other equipped card are not destroyed simultaneously. This is a very commonly known effect, ruled at the last YCS a lot too as another example. (you can even find a feature match where that's the case). [/quote] OKay, I see what you're saying. But that means that Inzektor Dragonfly's effect ignores the chain like Bountiful Artemis does, since otherwise, he shouldn't be able to recognize the different activations otherwise, which could lead to some interesting combos down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1333854591' post='5905863'] OKay, I see what you're saying. But that means that Inzektor Dragonfly's effect ignores the chain like Bountiful Artemis does, since otherwise, he shouldn't be able to recognize the different activations otherwise, which could lead to some interesting combos down the road. [/quote]Yes, yes. We understand. We're all f*cked. I think we determined that much from the OP. I'd rather not yet think about how much worse it could possibly get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='Greiga te Jalokia' timestamp='1333853844' post='5905847'] ^Centipede should get hit.[/quote] Centipede is far more problematic then Dragonfly. But since Konami thinks in reverse.... [quote name='Greiga te Jalokia' timestamp='1333853692' post='5905844'] [Spiderman.jpg][/quote] AND OF COURSE, THE ONE TIME I WANT TO USE GTM, THE SITE IS DOWN. Ugh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1333854674' post='5905864'] Yes, yes. We understand. We're all f*cked. I think we determined that much from the OP. I'd rather not yet think about how much worse it could possibly get. [/quote] Especially since it looks like they're giving it to all the Inzektors, as Centipede get's it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1333854783' post='5905868'] Especially since it looks like they're giving it to all the Inzektors, as Centipede get's it too. [/quote]Oh god. They're going to make an Arachnid that Special Summons from the Graveyard. D8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1333854839' post='5905870'] Oh god. They're going to make an Arachnid that Special Summons from the Graveyard. D8 [/quote] Doesn't Giga-Mantis already do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1333855044' post='5905877'] Doesn't Giga-Mantis already do that? [/quote]No I mean like what Centi and Dfly do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1333855230' post='5905884'] No I mean like what Centi and Dfly do... [/quote] I think I died inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1333855230' post='5905884'] No I mean like what Centi and Dfly do...[/quote] [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Kabutron]Because hes totally not an Inzektor in any way shape or form[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 That "quick combo-oriented play" can still accumulate an absurd amount of card advantage, regardless of Centipede. I just don't feel Centipede should be hit for just being the glue that makes the deck more consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1333855379' post='5905889'] [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Kabutron]Because hes totally not an Inzektor in any way shape or form[/url] [/quote] The difference being that he can't abuse Hornet for +2s en masse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1333855379' post='5905889'] [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Kabutron]Because hes totally not an Inzektor in any way shape or form[/url] [/quote]Arms, what have you done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 @Above: Hes just missing the name, but his effect is totally legit. [quote name='Wizarus' timestamp='1333855499' post='5905891'] I just don't feel Centipede should be hit for just being the glue that makes the deck more consistent.[/quote] No, more like they want it at 2 or 1, just to slow the deck down. [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1333855556' post='5905894'] The difference being that he can't abuse Hornet for +2s en masse.[/quote] I think that was the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Also, Kabutron doesn't fuel his own effect [s]and his name sounds like a certain Fossil Pokemon.[/s] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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