[Gandorator] A balanced 4000 ATK Rank 1 Xyz Monster? What?!

[Valkyrus]

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You can now OTK with Oni-Gami Combo:

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Also more good uses for Xyz Reborn (brings out a 3000 ATK beatstick which can negate its destruction only to become a 4000 beatstick.)

[img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/d/d8/XyzReborn-ORCS-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img]

It also loves the mass destruction of this meta with Torrential Tribute at 2 and Dark Hole at 1 being staples.

> Promotes the usage of other Rank 1's as well and makes their decks more usable.

> Since the materials are 3 level 1 monsters, I also don't think this could be abused in Tier decks.

Anyways, discuss/suggest/fix/rate/etc. as long as it's something constructive

[SunKistRebelution]

I personally love this card. Unfortunately, I am always hindered in giving full approval to anything with such a high base attack stat. Sorry for that. Anyways 7/10 because it is too capable of utterly destroying your opponent.

[Valkyrus]

[quote name='boogyman094' timestamp='1335193304' post='5923335']
I personally love this card. Unfortunately, I am always hindered in giving full approval to anything with such a high base attack stat. Sorry for that. Anyways 7/10 because it is too capable of utterly destroying your opponent.
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Upon summon this has 1000 ATK. I don't know how that can utterly destroy your opponent... But it can definitely annoy them.
To get rid of this you'd either have to return it to hand(extra deck) or flip it face-down, or banish it, or attack it/destroy it 4 times, or send it to the Graveyard (easiest way to do that being with Number 50: Black Corn). Most decks can do at least 1 of these things. But until they can take out something like that, this will be a threat.
It's comparable to Wind-Up Zenmaines in how annoying it could be, but I think this is more balanced than Zenmaines. 1) This does no effect destruction 2) it's harder to take out 3 level 1's than 2 level 3's.

[L0SS]

Love it.
I think you managed to balance this really effectively. Their are a few devastating moves you could pull (Such as the ones you highlighted), but it still takes a few turns to get it to full capacity.
My only question is this; why would your opponent bother to attack it? They would most likely just wait until they have a card effect that can do the job.
A second issue is that I can see this card being abused; as you could Xyz summon it, destroy it yourself with a card effect; and then use a card such as Monster Reborn to give you an instant 4000 atk beater. Maybe add this: "This card can only be Special Summoned by Xyz summon, and cannot be Summoned in other ways." That might make it less prone to abuse.

[Valkyrus]

[quote name='Tqne' timestamp='1335197270' post='5923356']
Love it.
I think you managed to balance this really effectively. Their are a few devastating moves you could pull (Such as the ones you highlighted), but it still takes a few turns to get it to full capacity.
My only question is this; why would your opponent bother to attack it? They would most likely just wait until they have a card effect that can do the job.
A second issue is that I can see this card being abused; as you could Xyz summon it, destroy it yourself with a card effect; and then use a card such as Monster Reborn to give you an instant 4000 atk beater. Maybe add this: "This card can only be Special Summoned by Xyz summon, and cannot be Summoned in other ways." That might make it less prone to abuse.
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Glad you like it ^^

well if your opponent has 4 monsters on the field and this is in defense they could get rid of it just by battle.

And of course, you can use it to your advantage in combination with Torrential, Dark Hole, etc. that's part of the point too.
Monster Reborn though can be used to SS any monster. And it's also Limited. So I don't think that's an issue here at all.

[Panda^.^]

i thinks its good and ballanced but i THINK not saying 3500 or 300 could good too, but wateve i dont know about xyz so yeah nice card

[rifall]

I think you should add on "Xyz material monsters may not be detached from this card except by this card's effect." And maybe even, "This can cannot be special summoned from the graveyard."

[Valkyrus]

[quote name='rifall' timestamp='1335248457' post='5923887']
I think you should add on "Xyz material monsters may not be detached from this card except by this card's effect." And maybe even, "This can cannot be special summoned from the graveyard."
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That's an insignificant upside to the card. It only promotes the uses of xyz support spells and traps that no one uses anyways. And this might actually be the only card that loves those Xyz Support spell and traps. So I don't think so.

[ekko1990]

I'd suggest, just to keep away the otk situation (since 2 card otks aren't fun at all) leave it with 3500 atk like panda suggested. This way, it will run over anything less than a Five-Headed Dragon, an Obelisk or a Red Nova Dragon to name a few examples.

Also, it will start rather week 500, then 1500, but it will then rise to 2500, being able to take down a lot of level 6 monsters and because of its effect it can take down cards like Shi'en and Utopia without dying.
At this point it is a serious threat, but then it finally gets to 3500. With Oni-Gami Combo, its pretty much game if you use it right, but you can't just first turn dark hole + heavy and win with these two cards.

[Sander]

[quote name='ekko1990' timestamp='1335280813' post='5924030']
I'd suggest, just to keep away the otk situation (since 2 card otks aren't fun at all)
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Yeah, it so is a [i]2[/i] card OTK.

[Valkyrus]

[quote name='ekko1990' timestamp='1335280813' post='5924030']
I'd suggest, just to keep away the otk situation (since 2 card otks aren't fun at all) leave it with 3500 atk like panda suggested. This way, it will run over anything less than a Five-Headed Dragon, an Obelisk or a Red Nova Dragon to name a few examples.

Also, it will start rather week 500, then 1500, but it will then rise to 2500, being able to take down a lot of level 6 monsters and because of its effect it can take down cards like Shi'en and Utopia without dying.
At this point it is a serious threat, but then it finally gets to 3500. With Oni-Gami Combo, its pretty much game if you use it right, but you can't just first turn dark hole + heavy and win with these two cards.
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first you need to summon it. That OTK requires you to have: Dark Hole, Heavy Storm, Oni-Gami Combo and some cards that would help summon 3 level 1 monsters on the field in one turn. And I don't think there's a single card that can do that. So in fact for this to work, you'd need 5+ specific cards in your hand.

[Altαir]

You can easily summon 3 Level 1 monsters in a turn.

This card would have no chance in being a staple, but a deck revolving around it is viable, and potent, too. I think it's a bit overpowered (It's not crazy overpowered, just slightly), but how would you be able to play if every single card was perfectly balanced? I really like the card and what you are going for.

But I feel like the second card is overpowered. A drawback would make the card more balanced in my eyes. Like, discard one card, or pay 500 Life Points, or something.

[Valkyrus]

[quote name='Altαir' timestamp='1335297980' post='5924206']
You can easily summon 3 Level 1 monsters in a turn.

This card would have no chance in being a staple, but a deck revolving around it is viable, and potent, too. I think it's a bit overpowered (It's not crazy overpowered, just slightly), but how would you be able to play if every single card was perfectly balanced? I really like the card and what you are going for.

But I feel like the second card is overpowered. A drawback would make the card more balanced in my eyes. Like, discard one card, or pay 500 Life Points, or something.
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you can summon it in one turn. But not by using just 1 card. (unless it's Kurivolt or something, but that requires your opponent to have a Xyz monster on field)
I don't really see this as OP'd as much as it is annoying.
I think the lack of an existing good Rank 1 monster is affecting people's judgment.
I think any Xyz that requires 3 materials needs some really good effect.

And unless you don't go on the offensive right away with Oni-Gami combo or etc. you'd use this primarily for stall. Which would give your opponent enough time to bring out something that can get rid of it. Like Number 50: Black Corn or Maestroke etc etc.

[Valkyrus]

bump

[ekko1990]

Just to throw out two examples of how to two card otk with this.

1. Return from the Different dimension to bring back any 3 of the many level 1 cards that you have banished during the game, xyz then play Oni-Gami combo and attack.

2. Enchanting Fitting Room to take out 3 normal level 1s, xyz then play Oni-Gami combo and attack.

[rotfl]

balanced? pfft... this card is CRAZY overpowered. and it's eff, so it takes 3 tries to destroy it? wow, lmao... change its atk to like 2000 or something. i get where you're coming from, but this is just way too strong.

[Valkyrus]

[quote name='ekko1990' timestamp='1335382087' post='5925065']
Just to throw out two examples of how to two card otk with this.

1. Return from the Different dimension to bring back any 3 of the many level 1 cards that you have banished during the game, xyz then play Oni-Gami combo and attack.

2. Enchanting Fitting Room to take out 3 normal level 1s, xyz then play Oni-Gami combo and attack.
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Are you serious?
1) Return from the different dimension is LIMITED. Meaning you can play only 1 copy of it.
2) "3 of your MANY banished level 1 monsters" not sure what you're playing but I haven't usually banished a crapload of level 1's in any deck I've played with
3) Enchanting fitting room....do you realize the CHANCES of actually getting 3 level 1's with this without setting up the top of your deck?...About 1 in a 1000.
4) you said a two-card OTK, then you give me this...."combo" which actually requires: (1) Return from the different dimension (2) Oni-Gami Combo (3) Enchanting Fitting Room (4) Another Oni-Gami Combo
ALSO you need 3 level 1's in your banished zone and you need to lucksack a 3 level 1 NORMAL monsters topdeck.

[b]That's 4 cards (none of them searchable; one of them being limited.)
Also you need 2 seriously situational (1 in 10,000 chance of simultaniously happening without the aid of other cards) conditions for it all to work out.[/b]

That MUST be the most horrible "OTK" that anyone has ever thought of, honestly.
Drawing the 5 pieces of exodia in a deck with no spells or traps on your first turn is most realistic than all this happening the way you described it.

[quote name='rotfl' timestamp='1335395743' post='5925317']
balanced? pfft... this card is CRAZY overpowered. and it's eff, so it takes 3 tries to destroy it? wow, lmao... change its atk to like 2000 or something. i get where you're coming from, but this is just way too strong.
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Please get more familiar with the game. Also, look up Wind-Up Zenmaines.

BUMP for actual constructive comments.

[Redgrave]

I am actually suprised no one has suggested "Machine Duplication", tho i dont think its used as much anymore... but it would probably work well with this card since it's ANY monsters not just a specific type.

[Panda^.^]

yo Gando, i apreciate that you are very higly ranked? or known in this site but, i been here quite a time now, i see people like you now and then, when you get negative feedback, insteed of like getting mad or not accepting theyre opinions, ask them specifically why not or they might not know...i got thes quite often when i learned only from hellheat and ragnarok,
[quote][color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]Please get more familiar with the game. Also, look up Wind-Up Zenmaines. OR research buddy[/background][/size][/font][/color][/quote] honestly not all people in this site is like yugioh genius and this site isnt meant to be only for people like that, its made for fun where you create what you could never have and get feedbacks to make it more realistic. i get it that people might critisized and overlook youre cards, but thats what this site is for ya know, just accept and say, "have you thought about that? in case you didnt know? OR there is more way then that. i respect you as a fellow card maker but honestly, people like you should be going around teaching little 1 or 2 stars how to make and edit not telling them to research.. yo know peace i mean no harm

[ekko1990]

[quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1335409973' post='5925498']
Are you serious?
1) Return from the different dimension is LIMITED. Meaning you can play only 1 copy of it.
2) "3 of your MANY banished level 1 monsters" not sure what you're playing but I haven't usually banished a crapload of level 1's in any deck I've played with
3) Enchanting fitting room....do you realize the CHANCES of actually getting 3 level 1's with this without setting up the top of your deck?...About 1 in a 1000.
4) you said a two-card OTK, then you give me this...."combo" which actually requires: (1) Return from the different dimension (2) Oni-Gami Combo (3) Enchanting Fitting Room (4) Another Oni-Gami Combo
ALSO you need 3 level 1's in your banished zone and you need to lucksack a 3 level 1 NORMAL monsters topdeck.

[b]That's 4 cards (none of them searchable; one of them being limited.)
Also you need 2 seriously situational (1 in 10,000 chance of simultaniously happening without the aid of other cards) conditions for it all to work out.[/b]

That MUST be the most horrible "OTK" that anyone has ever thought of, honestly.
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Might ask you a question as well. Are you retarded?

I said I'd name 2 examples, so obviously the Different Dimension and Fitting Room combo are two separate examples using 2 cards each.

Second, "3 of your many banished level 1 monsters". *facepalm*, you obviously have not used many because this card doesn't exist. If you would use Return from the Different Dimension to spam level 1s you would be using cards like Cyber Valley, Battle Fader and Kinka-byo which remove from play themselves and/or other monsters.

In a 40 card deck with 6 cards drawn, even if you have only 3 level 1 normal monsters in your deck (and you should have more if you were to use that combo), you have a 0.07% chance of getting them with Enchanted Fitting Room. Thats close to 1 in 1000, however you do not need to add much to drastically improve the chance of it happening. Check your facts first.

Lastly, these were just examples that there ARE 2 card otk combos. They aren't the best combos, but if you up it to 3 cards it gets ridiculously easy to get the otk.

[SunKistRebelution]

This would be super easy to summon with my new archetype.

[Valkyrus]

[quote name='ekko1990' timestamp='1335477832' post='5926073']
Might ask you a question as well. Are you retarded?

I said I'd name 2 examples, so obviously the Different Dimension and Fitting Room combo are two separate examples using 2 cards each.

Second, "3 of your many banished level 1 monsters". *facepalm*, you obviously have not used many because this card doesn't exist. If you would use Return from the Different Dimension to spam level 1s you would be using cards like Cyber Valley, Battle Fader and Kinka-byo which remove from play themselves and/or other monsters.

In a 40 card deck with 6 cards drawn, even if you have only 3 level 1 normal monsters in your deck (and you should have more if you were to use that combo), you have a 0.07% chance of getting them with Enchanted Fitting Room. Thats close to 1 in 1000, however you do not need to add much to drastically improve the chance of it happening. Check your facts first.

Lastly, these were just examples that there ARE 2 card otk combos. They aren't the best combos, but if you up it to 3 cards it gets ridiculously easy to get the otk.
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Might I ask you back, do you know how to play this game?
Because if you think an OTK of 1 LIMITED TRAP CARD and 1 spell card (I REPEAT, NONE OF THEM SEARCHABLE) + a setup banished zone is an easy OTK you're a moron. Furthermore, everyone knows 2-card OTKs exist, even though this one is not even a 2-card OTK, since it requires you to set up your banished zone first. DO YOU GET THAT? Also, if you're giving Enchanting fitting room as an EXAMPLE of a card in 2-card OTK, you would think there's some chance of it actually HAPPENING. 1/1000 is 0 chance in this game. So that whole example is retarded. Both your examples are bullshit.

I seriously need some constructive comments from people who know what they're talking about..

[L0SS]

-headdesk- I think you need to understand that this card is overpowered. A 2 card OTK is perfectly viable, as 3 level 1 monsters aren't exactly hard to get on the field (You could just inferno reckless summon one of your SS Level 1's)
Throw Oni-Gami Combo into the mix and this is hopelessly [i]easy[/i] to set up. How hard is it to understand that?

[Sander]

[quote name='Tqne' timestamp='1335557939' post='5926884']
-headdesk- I think you need to understand that this card is overpowered. A 2 card OTK is perfectly viable, as 3 level 1 monsters aren't exactly hard to get on the field (You could just inferno reckless summon one of your SS Level 1's)
Throw Oni-Gami Combo into the mix and this is hopelessly [i]easy[/i] to set up. How hard is it to understand that?
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The card isn't f***ing overpowered you moron. Just because you could attack for game with it if you used Oni-Gami Combo on it doesn't mean that it's automatically broken. And name the monsters that you would actually use Inferno Reckless Summon on in the first place. Owait, there's only one consistent way to possibly use Inferno Reckless Summon on, that being Kinka-Byo.

[Synchronized]

I actually don't think it's overpowered at all. If anything, it makes Skull Servants somewhat interesting because it adds a Chaos element to the Deck while giving them another powerful beatstick. Plus, a simple Compulsory Evacuation Device or something along those lines can remove it with no problem.

Anyone who thinks this card is overpowered is unfamiliar with how the Meta works.