I don't even know what to say...

[Altαir]

Once again...society has made me cry. .-.

 

Dwarven, I agree totally with you. If we had a better society, then this man would not have to post this. It would've been cleaned up instantly.

 

But what are we to do about it?

[Dwarven King]

Dwarven, I agree totally with you. If we had a better society, then this man would not have to post this. It would've been cleaned up instantly.

 

But what are we to do about it?

 

Break people's kneecaps with my Dwarven Warhammer?

[Guest Cronus]

You developed a response from an incorrect interpretation of my post. Because of that, I can't develop a proper response that would allow us to continue to hold and on-topic discussion.

 

And you do it all the time.

Yet you refuse to explain what I misinterpreted and instead choose to keep on with the useless rhetoric :/

[Dwarven King]

Yet you refuse to explain what I misinterpreted and instead choose to keep on with the useless rhetoric :/

 

I say I hate society as a whole. You then respond and use a racist example to prove that I am wrong. If you can't see the misinterpretation, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

But here, I'll point out someone who got it.

 

Dwarven, I agree totally with you. If we had a better society, then this man would not have to post this. It would've been cleaned up instantly.

 

But what are we to do about it?

[Guest Cronus]

I say I hate society as a whole. You then respond and use a racist example to prove that I am wrong. If you can't see the misinterpretation, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

But here, I'll point out someone who got it.

Both situations are exactly the same but with different components sparking the conflict. There was no misinterpretation. And don't spout the "Racist" word unless you know what it means. I do not believe one race is superior to another and therefore I am not racist.

 

You blame society as a whole for how those people act, I responded by putting in a situation in which we all blame black people for crime because a statistic showed a high percentage of them *Statistic was an example and in no way real*. While these people blamed the entire black populace as a whole for most crime, YOU blame society as whole for the behaviour of those people which is simply not true.

 

 

And by the quote you posted, your saying that unless I agree with the fact its all societies fault then I misinterpreted what you said? Mostly because all I saw was him completely agreeing with you and then asking what you can do to fix it.

[Dwarven King]

Both situations are exactly the same but with different components sparking the conflict. There was no misinterpretation. And don't spout the "Racist" word unless you know what it means. I do not believe one race is superior to another and therefore I am not racist.

 

You blame society as a whole for how those people act, I responded by putting in a situation in which we all blame black people for crime because a statistic showed a high percentage of them *Statistic was an example and in no way real*. While these people blamed the entire black populace as a whole for most crime, YOU blame society as whole for the behaviour of those people which is simply not true.

 

 

And by the quote you posted, your saying that unless I agree with the fact its all societies fault then I misinterpreted what you said? Mostly because all I saw was him completely agreeing with you and then asking what you can do to fix it.

 

Yes because an example where a "race" is singled out and blamed for something has no sign of racism in it. Your example is horrible.

 

I do not blame "black people" for crimes, nor do I hate society because of statistics. I don't even know why you're bringing statistics or a racists situation into all this.

 

And I hate society NOT for the behavior of a few, but for how they RESPOND to the behavior of a few and society's priorities as a whole. If you don't understand that, then shut the hell up. All you're trying to do is make me look racists when I mentioned nothing about "black people".

[Guest Cronus]

Yes because an example where a "race" is singled out and blamed for something has no sign of racism in it. Your example is horrible.

 

I do not blame "black people" for crimes, nor do I hate society because of statistics. I don't even know why you're bringing statistics or a racists situation into all this.

 

And I hate society NOT for the behavior of a few, but for how they RESPOND to the behavior of a few and society's priorities as a whole. If you don't understand that, then shut the hell up. All you're trying to do is make me look racists when I mentioned nothing about "black people".

You really don't get it do you?

I am not calling you racist! I am saying you cannot hate on a whole conglomerate for the idiocy of a few! The african americans in my example were hated on for the mishaps of few. You are hating on society for the mishaps of A FEW! I am not trying to call you racist as that would make no sense. And I will not shut the hell up as you so kindly put it. How about you have a discussion without being insanely rude? Both my example and your example have one thing in common one giant Superorganism is being blamed for the mishaps of a few components. For the african americans in my example it was because according to the "Fake" statistic someblack people committed a crime so the whole bunch is hated on because of their idiocy which is wrong. When those idiots at that school treated the kid like crap, you said you hated society as a whole which had nothing to do with it! Society is what people make of it. There is not one whole society and if there was you and I wouldn't behaving this conversation becausewe would all be agreeing on the same thing.There are many societies. Not just some generic society where no one gives a damn and everyone is rude which you made it seem like by criticizing how they react to it. There are those that don't care and there are those that do. Every human is different, but thats what makes us human. By hating on society you are hating on every conceptual human in the society of the United States which is effectively wrong. Some people brushed this video off as nothing while others paid attention with a need to do something, everyone is different. Society is the collective of all people and cannot be generalised to one characteristic.

 

I can't simple it down any further than this and if you still don't get it then I failed.

[Tentacruel]

We are society.

 

 

We are to blame.

 

 

That is all.

[Guest Cronus]

We are society.

 

 

We are to blame.

 

 

That is all.

No we are not! They are to blame, their parents are to blame! Their attitude and personality is to blame, NOT US! It is not my fault that some dumb chick decided it was nice to treat a handicapped kid like crap. It is nobodies fault but their's.

[Dwarven King]

You really don't get it do you?

I am not calling you racist! I am saying you cannot hate on a whole conglomerate for the idiocy of a few! The african americans in my example were hated on for the mishaps of few. You are hating on society for the mishaps of A FEW! I am not trying to call you racist as that would make no sense. And I will not shut the hell up as you so kindly put it. How about you have a discussion without being insanely rude? Both my example and your example have one thing in common one giant Superorganism is being blamed for the mishaps of a few components. For the african americans in my example it was because according to the "Fake" statistic someblack people committed a crime so the whole bunch is hated on because of their idiocy which is wrong. When those idiots at that school treated the kid like crap, you said you hated society as a whole which had nothing to do with it! Society is what people make of it. There is not one whole society and if there was you and I wouldn't behaving this conversation becausewe would all be agreeing on the same thing.There are many societies. Not just some generic society where no one gives a damn and everyone is rude which you made it seem like by criticizing how they react to it. There are those that don't care and there are those that do. Every human is different, but thats what makes us human. By hating on society you are hating on every conceptual human in the society of the United States which is effectively wrong. Some people brushed this video off as nothing while others paid attention with a need to do something, everyone is different. Society is the collective of all people and cannot be generalised to one characteristic.

 

I can't simple it down any further than this and if you still don't get it then I failed.

 

Hmm...nope, still blaming society. Congratulations on your failure Cronus.

[Sander]

Hmm...nope, still blaming society. Congratulations on your failure Cronus.

 

Oh look, another stubborn moron.

[John A. Zoidberg]

Hmm...nope, still blaming society. Congratulations on your failure Cronus.

 

You are either incredibly stubborn, incredibly stupid, or both.

 

Let me give you a short biology/psychology lesson. It's on the concept of "nature and nurture." "Nature" means things that happen to an individual naturally, such as height, eye color, etc. Basically, nature is a grouping of all genetic predispositions of an individual. "Nurture," however, is how a person's personality is formed. Nurture is how a person learns from a figure of respect at a young age. If a young individual's (namely between birth and the age of ten, mostly) parent is racist, that individual will likely grow up not knowing any better than to be racist. If a young individual's parent is a devout Christian, that individual will likely grow up believing the same. Even in adolescence, people learn how to behave from their parents because that's their parents' job.

That is why you're wrong.

Nobody learns how to act from "society as a whole" because there is no "society as a whole." The public world is full of so many different races, cultures, ideologies, behaviors, religions, etc. A true "society as a whole" would honestly be the best thing ever- there wouldn't be prejudice against anything because everything would already be accepted as a valid part of society, autistic children included. There are fragments of society that stand for different things, yes, but you can't just sit here and say "I blame society for this." There is no one society to blame.

If you are going to blame anybody for this, blame the people that these teachers respect and admire. Blame the people that raised them. Blame their siblings, blame their friends.

Just don't blame society. That generic brooding teen response only works on Tumblr anyway.

[Lunar Origins]

I don't blame society, I blame the person.

 

Society as a whole isn't that bad. Sure, we might have some god-awful people, and we might have some angels, but from my experiences people are people; we can't really change that. Things like this are going to happen, and we can't just prevent them. Such is a trait of the human race; like it or not, most of us are pretty damn xenophobic.

 

...having said that, I think it's time I watched the video.

[TheUnforgiven]

If that were my kid... i would be in jail.... and a few teachers and aides would be dead or dieing,....

[Legend Zero]

I like how people are talking about who to blame, when pointing the finger is the most unproductive thing to do in a situation like this. But, that's American society for you. What can you do?

 

To be a bit more serious...Was it just my school, or did you guys have higher ups do random 'pop ins' during classes? You would think a class for Special Needs (or w/e the politically correct term is) would have more 'pop ins' than a regular class. At least, imo.

[Dwarven King]

that's American society for you.

 

But...LZ...there is no society! O:

[Legend Zero]

But...LZ...there is no society! O:

It was a (bad) joke.

[Dwarven King]

It was a (bad) joke.

 

I'm aware. :3

[John A. Zoidberg]

But...LZ...there is no society! O:

 

You're not even interpreting our posts correctly, which just gives some hilarious ironic value against you, I guess.

We are not saying society doesn't exist. It obviously exists. It is there. However, there is no one central grouping that can be named "society" as the massive differences between various cultures and whatnot are too vastly unalike to really just be in one clusterf**k of existence. At the very least if there was one central society it would be some giant evil autism hating machine.

[Dwarven King]

You're not even interpreting our posts correctly, which just gives some hilarious ironic value against you, I guess.

We are not saying society doesn't exist. It obviously exists. It is there. However, there is no one central grouping that can be named "society" as the massive differences between various cultures and whatnot are too vastly unalike to really just be in one clusterf**k of existence. At the very least if there was one central society it would be some giant evil autism hating machine.

 

You fail to see my point though. Yes, there are different cultures. Yes, there is good people and people. Yes, we are all different. But it doesn't matter. No matter how many times people yell "foul" or say something is wrong and something should be done about it...nothing happens. Why? Because it simply gets covered up, or someone simply gets a slap on their wrist. Or would you prefer if I said the people higher up on the food chain simply didn't want to bother with it? Either way, my point is simple. No matter how diverse we are, we always come to the same result. Why? Because that's how our society known as mankind works.

 

And I hate it.

[John A. Zoidberg]

You fail to see my point though. Yes, there are different cultures. Yes, there is good people and people. Yes, we are all different. But it doesn't matter. No matter how many times people yell "foul" or say something is wrong and something should be done about it...nothing happens. Why? Because it simply gets covered up, or someone simply gets a slap on their wrist. Or would you prefer if I said the people higher up on the food chain simply didn't want to bother with it? Either way, my point is simple. No matter how diverse we are, we always come to the same result. Why? Because that's how our society known as mankind works.

 

And I hate it.

 

No, I see your point, and it's absolutely illogical, ridiculous, lazy, annoying, and stupid, just as you're coming off as an individual.

You fail to understand.

There is no "society of mankind." That does not exist. A young starving African child and his mother had nothing to do with this. You can't say the society of mankind, taking into account that there are approximately 7 billion people populating the Earth. Those 7 billion people have different ideologies and moral codes, yet you're saying we should all pull them together into one group and blame EVERYBODY for everything that goes wrong in the world.

If you're going to blame a society for this, don't blame the faux-society-of-mankind, blame the "society of authority." Blame the people that DO cover things up. If the "society of mankind" (i.e. every human in existence) covered something up, they would all have to know something occurred, leaving nothing to cover up anyway. Blame the teachers that lied about this, not the other 7 billion people that had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Again, the concept of nurture.

People learn from figures they respect. Everybody respects other people with other ideologies and values and believes. You cannot push them into one central group and blame them for everything. If anything that's reminiscent of racism, sexism, ageism, etc. "Oh kids these days are horrible!" is referring to the kids with no respect for authority, and completely ignoring the whole of other children. "Oh black people are all unruly hoodlums!" blaming an entire group for the fault of the few. "All Muslims are terrorists!" is completely relevant. /911

You see my point. Hopefully. I guess I shouldn't have any hope for that by this point. You're doing the exact same thing as racists, sexists, ageists, etc. You are saying, "There are some bad people in the world that do bad things, so I will blame every human in existence." That is wrong.

It's just the equivalent of saying "people suck" which is incredibly stupid. You do not know every human that exists, thus you have absolutely no right to judge humanity as a whole for what it stands for.

If you still fail to understand my point, there is not much more I can do for you, and I seriously hope you can get over your stubbornness, lest it lead to immoral and unlikable ideologies, as it so often does.

[Altαir]

It's so simple, I don't understand how anyone is not getting what Dwarven is saying. He isn't necessarily saying that society created this conflict. He's saying that they did not respond efficiently enough. No one dug in and distributed justice until 6 months afterwards. He is saying that because of this society and this flaw, people like this are allowed to continue their disgusting behavior without being severly punished.

 

He are not saying an African child is the cause of this conflict. He is saying our society as a whole did not respond efficiently to the problem, and it was allowed to continue. What is so hard to get?

 

But how do we fix the problem without putting a camera in every room and a supervisor watching every teacher? And a supervisor watching every supervisor? And a supervisor watching every supervisor of a supervisor? And... well, you get it.

[Dwarven King]

It's so simple, I don't understand how anyone is not getting what Dwarven is saying. He isn't necessarily saying that society created this conflict. He's saying that they did not respond efficiently enough. No one dug in and distributed justice until 6 months afterwards. He is saying that because of this society and this flaw, people like this are allowed to continue their disgusting behavior without being severly punished.

 

He are not saying an African child is the cause of this conflict. He is saying our society as a whole did not respond efficiently to the problem, and it was allowed to continue. What is so hard to get?

 

But how do we fix the problem without putting a camera in every room and a supervisor watching every teacher? And a supervisor watching every supervisor? And a supervisor watching every supervisor of a supervisor? And... well, you get it.

 

Thank you kind sir. I've been sitting here mulling this through my head and trying to figure out how to say exactly what you just said for some time now. ...I think my fan-fic idea is taking most of my attention.

 

But at any rate, what Altair said pretty much sums up what I have been trying to say without all the detail. Now if YOU can't get where I am coming from, then you do not fully understand the problem that I see and the reason as to why I hate society.

[John A. Zoidberg]

Thank you kind sir. I've been sitting here mulling this through my head and trying to figure out how to say exactly what you just said for some time now. ...I think my fan-fic idea is taking most of my attention.

 

But at any rate, what Altair said pretty much sums up what I have been trying to say without all the detail. Now if YOU can't get where I am coming from, then you do not fully understand the problem that I see and the reason as to why I hate society.

 

>you aren't clear with your response and admit to that

>"NOW IF YOU DON'T GET IT"

 

If your response was clear from the beginning, then this conversation wouldn't have happened. Don't blame me for your lack of clarity.

[Tentacruel]