byak Posted June 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 I personally don't think that it needs attention. Koko brought up Gorz but I think it's more of a necessary evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 There's no real need to argue it, GBs would be Tier 1 in this format possibly even BECAUSE of the changes that don't directly affect them. All in all, this is really biased and obviously meant to make Goat Control Tier 1 again, which shouldn't happen. You've banned multitudes of cards for the sole purpose of bringing back one, so yeah, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted June 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1339263019' post='5954444'] All in all, this is really biased and obviously meant to make Goat Control Tier 1 again, which shouldn't happen. [/quote] I don't understand this statement. Have you even played Goat Control? Plus, TER is gone again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1339263019' post='5954444'] There's no real need to argue it, GBs would be Tier 1 in this format possibly even BECAUSE of the changes that don't directly affect them. All in all, this is really biased and obviously meant to make Goat Control Tier 1 again, which shouldn't happen. You've banned multitudes of cards for the sole purpose of bringing back one, so yeah, no. [/quote] TER is at 0 though here. So Goat Control is nonexistent in tier decks anyway. GBs are inevitably Tier 1, but Tier 1.5 is pretty diverse here, so I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Why hit Convocation instead of just hitting Gustav? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 [quote name='Neo Galaxy' timestamp='1339287892' post='5954622'] Why hit Convocation instead of just hitting Gustav? [/quote] REDMD is banned on this list. Gustaph isn't a problem anymore, and it's hardly the biggest issue in Hieratics in the first place (Atum is). The search card builds consistency. It will almost invariably be limited in September anyway. But hitting that consistency is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 But if REDMD is hit, where's the problem? You're taking away any chance of the Deck being competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSektor Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 The only problem of this list is that you're not really fixing the format, but rewinding to Goat Control (plus Yata Lock without Yata [?]) format. Seriously, this is not the answer that Yugioh needs. Also TIV @3? DAAAAYUUUUUM. Also, limiting MST is fine, but Night shot isn't. Nightshot isn't chainable and it stops Time Seal (A staple in your format). GB, Scap Goat, DoppelDebris and DestinyZero are tier 1, looks like a "no fun allowed" format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Tracks Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Considering how large this list seems pretty good. My major complaint is that you're trying to recreate overly romanticized formats from yugioh's past. You admit to a bias in list creation though, so I'll give the benefit and assume this list is customized for your own enjoyment and not an attempt to balance the game. There are a few list choices you chose that I'd like a little bit more information on. [b]Rescue Rabbit vs. Tour Guide vs. Leviair:[/b] Why is Leviair banned while TGU and Rabbit got an "lol semi-limit"? I understand that the general consensus amongst the Yugioh community is that Leviair is the major problem in decks like Rescue Rabbit; their justification being 'It turns the banish zone into a second graveyard', or similar things to that affect. This is poor reasoning and I feel you and others are just spearheading Leviair for the problems that are ultimately Rabbit and TGU. Unfortunately all Xyzs currently seeing play are currently only as playable as the cards that get them out. Not only does the Xyz need to be good by its own merits but it also has to have a minimal investment method of reaching the field. The majority of the time a rank 3 hits the field it's because TGU brought it out. Tour Guide is a skill less, zero investment card that makes every rank 3 look better. Leviair is a good card but not broken. It's the easy accessibility that TGU gives that makes it seem broken. Limiting Tour Guide not only stops the self interaction (which I'd say is a problem in its own right) but also stops the TGU -> Leviair -> Rabbit plays that are the only reason you have for limiting Leviair. Rabbit is also banable. Similar to TGU, it makes every Rank 4 or lower Xyz look better better because of its minimal investment. Leaving this at two also leads to an inconsistency issue with your banlist. You repeatedly restricted problem cards instead of limiting the searching engines and enablers. Banning broken dragons and leaving the card that searches them is ultimately the correct thing to do. Yes, Rabbit, TGU -> Leviair -> Rabbit is annoying and a problem, but in the end Rabbit is the source of the problem. Making any 2 card Xyz with only one card is a problem by itself. Recycling that card is also a problem, but you can eliminate this problem by stopping the fist. Leviair spamming Rescue Rabbit is bad for the game, but banning it and basically not touching Rabbit or Tour Guide doesn't solve the actual problem. [b]Zenmaighty vs Hunter[/b] Why ban Hunter over Zenmaighty? Taking one or two cards out of someones had is no problem as evident by leaving cards like Drop Off at three. Zenmaighty enables the combo and is a potential problem by itself. Thanks to Wind-Up Rabbit, Zenmaighty is awfully difficult to negate and can amass enough field presence to nearly OTK and with Limiter Removal still around it can OTK. I can understand banning Hunter but I fell it's the inferior choice. On a side note: Limiter Removal should be banned. No one deserves to be OTKd by Unicycular. [b]Mask of Darkness[/b] The only real reason you gave to justify this is the Tsukiyomi, Mask, Drop Off loop. Which is a bad reason, tbh. That loop is already availble without these list changes with Mist Valley Falcon, Begone, Knave!, and possible Flip Flop Frog. Since it sees no play now it can be assumed it is no problem. If it does become a problem under your list than it is the fault of cards that can empty several cards from the hand at once or the fault of Tsukiyomi. I say it's Tsukiyomi's fault because unlike the other combo pieces it's not only going to be used for the lock and would serve as a myriad of other purposes in the deck. Additionally I feel that Gorz should be banned. It's attack stat breaks and important attack barrier and the token it produces makes it bananble. Besides, with Tragoedia, Battle Fader, and Swift Scarcrow decks should have enough options to stop OTKs. There are a few other things I dissagree with but I will ignore them assuming that this list is for a customized format and isn't trying to fix the format. [quote name='HSektor' timestamp='1339291594' post='5954646'] GB, Scap Goat, DoppelDebris and DestinyZero are tier 1, looks like a "no fun allowed" format. [/quote] If you are complaining that this format would have Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3 decks then I shall inform you that all formats have Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3 decks are to be considered "no fun allowed" formats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSektor Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 [quote name='Tiger Tracks' timestamp='1339292570' post='5954656']If you are complaining that this format would have Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3 decks then I shall inform you that all formats have Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3 decks are to be considered "no fun allowed" formats.[/quote] I'm not complaining about Tiers, but about WHAT decks are Tier 1. I mean, seriously? We REALLY want to come back to Goat Control era? REALLY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted June 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Tiger Tracks probably made the best response in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 mfw byakk brings ygo back into the golden age [img]http://oi49.tinypic.com/jrpn9v.jpg[/img] Seriously though, I'm gonna start testing this with friends hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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