Resident Fascist Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120330212945/yugioh/images/thumb/d/dd/EffectVeiler-ORCS-EN-SR-LE.png/300px-EffectVeiler-ORCS-EN-SR-LE.png[/img] Best awnser in the format? Nerfs Rabbit, Rat, Magician, Atum, Dragonfly and so on. This is plainly obvious, though. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Japan? Why do you like androgyny? It's a must in any deck or side deck that can run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 The staple everybody would rather not run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='EmpoleMew' timestamp='1339617759' post='5956469'] The staple everybody would rather not run. [/quote] The hell? The card's amazing, why would you [i]not want[/i] to run it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='Јordan' timestamp='1339618934' post='5956475'] The hell? The card's amazing, why would you [i]not want[/i] to run it? [/quote] Because nobody would like to run it. [i]It just feels especially forced to be run this format[/i]. Plus, it only works against so many decks. That is what a side is for, but I would prefer Veiler to either be solely a side card or tech rather than a full-fledged staple @3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1339619377' post='5956479'] Plus, it only works against so many decks. [/quote] It just so happens to work against like 80% of the format. I'll take my chances. Also, I like to run it :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I agree. I don't like to run it either. I do run it, but there are so many techs and things I could try out instead, if only the format allowed that. Now, if you don't, you can't stand a chance against the majority of Decks. If the option is available, I try and side this out Game 2 more often than not, especially because Decks like Chaos Dragons aren't really phased by it at all. I agree it's a staple but there's no way I wanna keep this maxed just so I don't auto-lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Hate running the card, purely a side-deck staple. I tried maining it a 2, but when you don't need it, Veiler sticks out like bleach on colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 It's f***ing horrible when a staple isn't good against some of the top decks and is entirely dead in those matchups. It's f***ing useless against Heroes and Dark Worlds (barring Stratos and TGU respectively, where the latter doesn't even always carry TGU) and if you don't have this at the precise right time then it's also a dead draw. Top it all off with the fact that every deck has outs to it now and it's damn near awful to [i]have[/i] to run it. The only excuse for not running it this format is you're running Skill Drain, which surprise surprise is also dead in certain matchups and even affects fewer cards with the exact same outs to it while being MST bait. Honestly, this format sucks so bad, can't wait for the banlist to fix it only for it to be ruined by Geargias and Atlanteans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 She's a staple. No questions asked. She's a Tuner, LIGHT, searchible, looks like Miku, has an amazing effect, whats not to love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1339640785' post='5956629'] It's f***ing horrible when a staple isn't good against some of the top decks and is entirely dead in those matchups. It's f***ing useless against Heroes and Dark Worlds (barring Stratos and TGU respectively, where the latter doesn't even always carry TGU) and if you don't have this at the precise right time then it's also a dead draw. Top it all off with the fact that every deck has outs to it now and it's damn near awful to [i]have[/i] to run it. The only excuse for not running it this format is you're running Skill Drain, which surprise surprise is also dead in certain matchups and even affects fewer cards with the exact same outs to it while being MST bait. Honestly, this format sucks so bad, can't wait for the banlist to fix it only for it to be ruined by Geargias and Atlanteans. [/quote] The worst part is, Veiler + TGU = splash BLS in everything. Not that people really do that (much). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Јordan' timestamp='1339619635' post='5956484'] It just so happens to work against like 80% of the format. I'll take my chances. Also, I like to run it :/ [/quote]You're not understanding what we're saying. Yes, it's good in today's format. We don't like that it's NEEDED in todays format to compete. You literally need 3 to win (besides in HEROs) and it's just a pain to have to ALWAYS need it. We don't like it because the format forces us to run it. We want the format to not need it so we don't NEED to run it. [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1339640785' post='5956629'] Honestly, this format sucks so bad, can't wait for the banlist to fix it only for it to be ruined by Geargias and Atlanteans. [/quote]Geargias and Atlanteans aren't as bad as Rabbit, Inzektors, and Chaos Dragons. Geargias will be very easy to side against. Atlanteans are certainly worse in that regard, since there's not really any general anti-WATER cards yet, but they're still not as bad as what I think we could compare them to, Inzektors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1339645868' post='5956660'] We don't like that it's NEEDED in todays format to compete. You literally need 3 to win (besides in HEROs) and it's just a pain to have to ALWAYS need it. We don't like it because the format forces us to run it. We want the format to not need it so we don't NEED to run it. [/quote] ... Isn't that the definition of a staple? And yes, the format is s***. I'm going to put half the blame on Rabbit and half the blame on Inzektors. Wind-Up are off the map since priority has gone, I havn't played one in weeks, although if they're still top-tier at someone's lolcals, I stand corrected. I always run 2/3 in my decks anyway, even before Priority changed, it was good for getting out of various situations. If you can side good, which I can't, you could probably get away with not running this. Key word is "Probably." Also, is it me, or has this format got 10x as hated on since the competetive existance of Chaos Dragons and Hieratic? Only deck I truely hate this format is Inzektors for influencing deck building far too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Јordan' timestamp='1339659006' post='5956766'] ... Isn't that the definition of a staple? And yes, the format is s***. I'm going to put half the blame on Rabbit and half the blame on Inzektors. Wind-Up are off the map since priority has gone, I havn't played one in weeks, although if they're still top-tier at someone's lolcals, I stand corrected. I always run 2/3 in my decks anyway, even before Priority changed, it was good for getting out of various situations. If you can side good, which I can't, you could probably get away with not running this. [b]We don't want it to need to be a staple. That's the problem. It's not as much of a swiss army knife as other staples; it's not good versus every deck.[/b] Key word is "Probably." Also, is it me, or has this format got 10x as hated on since the competetive existance of Chaos Dragons and Hieratic? Only deck I truely hate this format is Inzektors for influencing deck building far too much. [/quote][b]Chaos Dragons don't care what you do, they'll just do what they wanna do. People don't like that, it's such a weird form of taking away player interactions that people don't seem to understand why they hate it.[/b] [b]Hieratics are all based around OTKing, so yea.[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Wind-ups went 9-0 in Anaheim regionals recently and I just witnessed them grab second place in locals 3 hours ago against Rabbit. I wouldn't exactly call them dead. That said, this really isn't necessary to run in 3. The only decks this slows down are Inzektorz and Hieratics, both of which there are better answers to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='b0b3rt' timestamp='1339742030' post='5957217'] Wind-ups went 9-0 in Anaheim regionals recently and I just witnessed them grab second place in locals 3 hours ago against Rabbit. I wouldn't exactly call them dead. That said, this really isn't necessary to run in 3. The only decks this slows down are Inzektorz and Hieratics, both of which there are better answers to. [/quote] Y'know, it only stops Inzektors and Hieratics... And Rabbit... And Wind-Ups... And it slows down Dragons/stops them from free +s... Yup. Not much at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Wind-Ups are going first. Oh no! But I have a Veiler! Hooray! They summon a Tour Guide! Ahhh. Veiler it, Veiler it! Phew. They play Instant Fusion. [img]http://pinkie.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/133921900243.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1339769035' post='5957287'] Wind-Ups are going first. Oh no! But I have a Veiler! Hooray! They summon a Tour Guide! Ahhh. Veiler it, Veiler it! Phew. They play Instant Fusion. [img]http://pinkie.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/133921900243.png[/img] [/quote] I thought you were supposed to Veiler the Boat if they don't have a Rabbit. If they DO have a Rabbit, you might be kinda screwed either way. OT: This card.. I hate the mentality of "RUN VEILER IN ALL THE DECKS!" just because it's pretty true unless you run stuff like Skill Drain. I hate it so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='Kanade Otonashi' timestamp='1339782393' post='5957382'] I thought you were supposed to Veiler the Boat if they don't have a Rabbit. If they DO have a Rabbit, you might be kinda screwed either way. [/quote] You wouldn't know they're playing Wind-Ups, so either way you're going to want to Veiler a TGU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Should be played at 3 in every deck apart from Bubble beat and Skill Drain decks. Also means i can play BLS in Inzector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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