Max Darkness Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 [center][IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/15z3var.png[/IMG][/center] [center][b]Effect:[/b] 2 Level 4 Gemini Monsters This card is treated as a Non-Effect Monster while face-up on the field or in the Graveyard. While this card is face-up on the field, you can Normal Summon it to have it be treated as an Effect Monster with this effect: * Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card to target 1 face-up monster your opponent controls; That target loses its effect, until your opponent's End Phase. When you activate this effect. you can also send 1 Equip Card equipped to this card to the Graveyard: If you do, that target loses its effect for the rest of the duel.[/center] [center][i]I'm using this as a way to find out if this would be feasible. Both the general set-up (a FIRE Gemini Xyz) and the effect for what it does to your opponent's monsters and how it would assist the associated archetype I'm designing. The one major combo that kept coming to mind was using "Supervise" as the cost to both striken your opponent and get one of the materials or "Phoenix Gearfried"/"Gigaplant" back. [/i][i]As for the name, Hylonome is a female centaur from Greek mythology.[/i][/center] [center][i]Thoughts please.[/i][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Bump for comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginanos Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 The end of the effect is what's bugging me, it should really be until that monster leaves the field, where most of the time, monster's lose their effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Not bad for a gemini, but I still not see the real use for it as a single, I prefer cards to work coincide each other but also be great cards alone to make them multiple lovers of cards. But thats just me, anyhow not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted June 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Reginanos' timestamp='1339891659' post='5957964'] The end of the effect is what's bugging me, it should really be until that monster leaves the field, where most of the time, monster's lose their effects. [/quote] It's mainly to stop monsters that can Special Summon themselves from the hand or Graveyard after you've got them off the field. [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1339901160' post='5958053'] Not bad for a gemini, but I still not see the real use for it as a single, I prefer cards to work coincide each other but also be great cards alone to make them multiple lovers of cards. But thats just me, anyhow not bad. [/quote] This is the archetype it is supporting: [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/284522-scarlet-geminis-back-in-the-red-updated/"]http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/284522-scarlet-geminis-back-in-the-red-updated/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Ah, okay, I gotcha, and within those its a great deck, except they still can't merge into other decks very well, but thats what you probably intended for to. Well, great card Max, of course I'm more fan of wind/earth/light monsters, but thats me. Anyhow, good job on it, well, hope all is well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted June 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Bump for comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sckorpio Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 I HATE GEMINI's though i can see why people use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murdocki Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I'll give this one last bump, to see if I can get anymore useful comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 It's an interesting concept; I haven't seen any Gemini support for a while. I'm not really sure how you would Normal Summon it when it's already on the field, but I've never really understood Xyzs, so it's not really your fault. The cost looks balanced enough for its effect and stats. I'm wondering why it's a Warrior-type instead of a Beast Warrior-type, but I'm assuming it'll fit into your archetype better. I'd have to see the entire archetype to get a really good analysis, but this card looks good enough on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Stan Alda' timestamp='1340107966' post='5959191'] It's an interesting concept; I haven't seen any Gemini support for a while. I'm not really sure how you would Normal Summon it when it's already on the field, but I've never really understood Xyzs, so it's not really your fault. The cost looks balanced enough for its effect and stats. I'm wondering why it's a Warrior-type instead of a Beast Warrior-type, but I'm assuming it'll fit into your archetype better. I'd have to see the entire archetype to get a really good analysis, but this card looks good enough on its own. [/quote] It will probably end up as a Beast-Warrior but atm, since anyone reviewing it will most likely only know "Evocator Chevalier" and "E-HERO Neos Alius" as Level 4 Geminis I kept it the same Type as them to make it fit in better. Thanks for rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng's Old Account Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Stan Alda' timestamp='1340107966' post='5959191'] It's an interesting concept; I haven't seen any Gemini support for a while. I'm not really sure how you would Normal Summon it when it's already on the field, but I've never really understood Xyzs, so it's not really your fault. The cost looks balanced enough for its effect and stats. I'm wondering why it's a Warrior-type instead of a Beast Warrior-type, but I'm assuming it'll fit into your archetype better. I'd have to see the entire archetype to get a really good analysis, but this card looks good enough on its own. [/quote]You cannot Normal Summon Xyz Monsters, just as you cannot Normal Summon Fusion or Synchro Monsters (see Superalloy Beast Raptinus & Black Brutdrago). They're nor Gemini monsters, but rather support, so I would recommend re-drawing this card up simply because of this clause. Disregarding this (and my absolute irritation from imbeciles who've no reason to post here) I can see where you're coming from with this card. The new Geminis make prominent use of Equip Spells and, with this using Supervise's effect so well, in addition to crippling monsters permanently; well, let's say this guy will give Inzektors a run for their money (at long last!) Only issue is this card's inability to be an Xyz Monster. The re-Normal Summon implies the presence of a "hand" which Extra Deck monsters can never go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Kyng' timestamp='1340109761' post='5959193'] You cannot Normal Summon Xyz Monsters, just as you cannot Normal Summon Fusion or Synchro Monsters (see Superalloy Beast Raptinus & Black Brutdrago). They're nor Gemini monsters, but rather support, so I would recommend re-drawing this card up simply because of this clause. [/quote] But there is also the clause that states that what's written on a card over-rides any inherent ruling(s). One key example is the 'Counter Fairy' effects, which are all Spell Speed 3 (compared to a Monster's normal maximum speed of SS2) in order to keep up with Counter Trap Cards. So in this card's case, its effect will allow it to overcome Xyzs' inability to be Normal Summoned. [quote name='Kyng' timestamp='1340109761' post='5959193'] Disregarding this (and my absolute irritation from imbeciles who've no reason to post here) I can see where you're coming from with this card. The new Geminis make prominent use of Equip Spells and, with this using Supervise's effect so well, in addition to crippling monsters permanently; well, let's say this guy will give Inzektors a run for their money (at long last!) [/quote] At least the effect works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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