AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 [img]http://i.imgur.com/yDH36.jpg[/img] "Target 1 monster on the field and change its battle position. If the monster is face-down, flip it face-up. Flip Effects are not activated at this time. The battle position of the monster cannot be changed during this turn, except with a card effect." (Image from JazinKay.) This is not intended to be the super-cool card that kills everything. Instead, this is supposed to be an extraordinarily versatile card that can disrupt plays, hence the name. Look at it like this: Enemy Controller can't shift your cards or go for face-downs, Book of Moon only flips into face-down Defense, and A/D Changer can't be used during your opponent's turn. I negated the Flip Effects to prevent this from being just another Book of Taiyou (or else Empty Jar) and I restricted the monster from changing its battle position so that if this becomes a blind-MST target, you can chain it for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW Posted June 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Huh. Nobody? I would have expected at least something from someone. (Bump) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FateTheSeer Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Ohhh I like, I could see this as a staple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 [quote name='FateTheSeer' timestamp='1340400474' post='5961102'] Ohhh I like, I could see this as a staple [/quote] I can't, and that means it's not. I'll explain why later. Also, your post is technically spam 'cause of RC rules. Anyhow, onto the card: Thinking on the good side, it's technically a better version of the first eff of Enemy Controller. It can stop Ryko, neg an attack, increase your damage, and allow you to trample over a beatstick with low DEF. I also like how you disabled possible Empty Jar abuse. The problem is, unlike Book of Moon, this can't stop Ignition Effects or disallow Synchros and Xyz using the target as materials. It's certainly a good card, but far from tournament-level given the rediculously speedy format. This isn't an Absolute Inferior to Book of Moon, but in most cases it's very similar to it. And well, it's not a good idea to add "neg the eff of the target till the End Phase" to try and make it tournament-level, because that's what we call broken and bad for the game. In other words, this type of card design - "Jack-of-All-Trades" - has a particular "limit" to its balance, and it's nearly impossible to make it perfect without making its eff the exact same as an IRL card (like Book of Moon, which I consider to be one of the most well-thought-out card designs ever). So, when making cards, I rarely go for these types. It could earn you a lot of respect if done right, but it's not a very good idea. I wrote it like not being a staple is a bad thing, but it's not. Mainly because if it became a staple, that means it's hideously broken. Given how making these types of cards are terribly difficult, I think you did a good job with this overall. Was pretty interesting to review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1340440209' post='5961343'] I can't, and that means it's not. I'll explain why later. [/quote] I need to remember that phrase. [quote] Anyhow, onto the card: Thinking on the good side, it's technically a better version of the first eff of Enemy Controller. It can stop Ryko, neg an attack, increase your damage, and allow you to trample over a beatstick with low DEF. I also like how you disabled possible Empty Jar abuse. The problem is, unlike Book of Moon, this can't stop Ignition Effects or disallow Synchros and Xyz using the target as materials. It's certainly a good card, but far from tournament-level given the rediculously speedy format. This isn't an Absolute Inferior to Book of Moon, but in most cases it's very similar to it. And well, it's not a good idea to add "neg the eff of the target till the End Phase" to try and make it tournament-level, because that's what we call broken and bad for the game. In other words, this type of card design - "Jack-of-All-Trades" - has a particular "limit" to its balance, and it's nearly impossible to make it perfect without making its eff the exact same as an IRL card (like Book of Moon, which I consider to be one of the most well-thought-out card designs ever). So, when making cards, I rarely go for these types. It could earn you a lot of respect if done right, but it's not a very good idea.[/quote] There is a place for slightly UP'd versatile cards. This card would fit perfectly into a card set as a common, and I can imagine it would get at least some tournament play, in specific decks, at least as a side deck card. [quote] I wrote it like not being a staple is a bad thing, but it's not. Mainly because if it became a staple, that means it's hideously broken. Given how making these types of cards are terribly difficult, I think you did a good job with this overall. Was pretty interesting to review. [/quote] I don't quite agree with you on one thing, and that thing doesn't deal specifically with this card. Depending on your definition of "broken" I don't agree that any card that becomes a staple is hideously broken. Perhaps it means it is powerful, but not bad for the game. The book of moon example perfectly illustrates this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1340640144' post='5962349']I don't quite agree with you on one thing, and that thing doesn't deal specifically with this card. Depending on your definition of "broken" I don't agree that any card that becomes a staple is hideously broken. Perhaps it means it is powerful, but not bad for the game. The book of moon example perfectly illustrates this point. [/quote] Well, I could have been a bit more specific. Book of Moon is the "ultimate form" of a battle position-altering card. Any better, and it becomes so overpowered it's even bad for the game on its own. Any worse, and only a limited number of decks will use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW Posted June 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Took me long enough to muster the will to reply, but, well, here goes... I thought a "change the battle position of anything at any time" card would be decent enough, and the fact that it isn't tournament level is a shame (though I blame the format for being the insane thing it is). I suppose that its uses would actually be more offensive than Book of Moon. I don't plan on changing its effect at all (even adding a random but terrible healing effect or something), so I won't stray from the original intention of the card. To be honest, the fact that there isn't a "change the battle position of anything at any time" card in the game had irked me for several months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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