Inzektor Hopper vs Inzektor Ladybug

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http://theoryofanubis.blogspot.com/2012/06/inzektor-hopper-vs-inzektor-ladybug.html

^ My thoughts and reasonings right there.

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Discuss the two Inzektor triggers that aren't called Hornet.

[HSektor]

I really like R5Inzektors.dek, but Hopper is indeed a superior choice. (Unless that you're running Hornetless Inzektor, then just run both)

[DARKPLANT RISING]

I disagree to what you said about how Ladybug is bad. At least, in OCG land. Mainly because of Volcasaurus and Verz Nightmare.

In TCG, Hopper > Ladybug, tho'.

[Toffee.]

Ladybug is cool because your Inzektors are guarnteed to stay level 5, and make for easy Volcasaurus plays.
Hopper, IMO, is an interesting tech and lets Inzektors go for higher Rank monsters.

[Agro]

Hopper is used to get over Laggia with the sword. /obvious

Is there really much past that, though?

If the best deck didn't use bosses with 2500> ATK, would it be worth it?

Would it be worth using without Hornet?

[Wildflame]

When Hornet goes away (hopefully it'll happen on September), Ladybug will be the card that makes the deck live. Hopper is more like a tech to me, and one of those weird cases of well designed TCG originals.

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[quote name='Agro' timestamp='1340944453' post='5963704']
Hopper is used to get over Laggia with the sword. /obvious
Is there really much past that, though?
If the best deck didn't use bosses with 2500> ATK, would it be worth it?
Would it be worth using without Hornet?
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Well seeing as you won't have Sword but need a means of going off... No Inzektors would just be terrible without Hornet.

[Agro]

[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1340953113' post='5963730']
Well seeing as you won't have Sword but need a means of going off... No Inzektors would just be terrible without Hornet.
[/quote]Yes, but we shouldn't just ignore decks and cards because they aren't meta now, either.

[Synchronized]

I tend to agree with this, solely based on the fact that Hopper allows for consistency and plays, where, as you said, Ladybug's only plus is the Xyz ability it offers. By having to focus on Xyz (because with Ladybug, that's what your main goal is going to be after you clear the field) you lose card advantage and control. Personally, I think 3 Hornet ; 2 Hopper is the best, if you want to tech a Ladybug in there for a late-game comeback, that's not too bad either.

It all depends on the players, but I'm going with Hopper on this one.

[Just Crouton]

You can use Imitation on Ladybug to get Dragonfly from the deck, then either use the Hornet in hand or Volca with the Ladybug in the Grave.

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[quote name='God Crouton!!!' timestamp='1341031190' post='5964179']
You can use Imitation on Ladybug to get Dragonfly from the deck, then either use the Hornet in hand or Volca with the Ladybug in the Grave.
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But if you use Imitation you're terrible. .-.

[Just Crouton]

[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341060876' post='5964292']
But if you use Imitation you're terrible. .-.
[/quote]

But it was so much fun to turn that 3rd Shine Ball into Dragonfly last format...

[ihop]

Chris already knows my feelings on Ladybug and Hopper, IMO you should play 1 of both as Hopper's only real use it beating over Laggia.

[MK-ultra]

i like ladybug more
i feel the only reason poeple run hopper is the BKSS ruleing that hopper got (even though it causes a invalid gamestate)
all in all ladybug just opens more plays (especially because adreus, tiras, and exa stag are great cards)

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It doesn't even cause an invalid gamestate. That's like saying if someone used Threatening Roar then you can't activate Hopper.

Ladybug opens different plays, Hopper's a better utility card.

Some people seem to make this mindset with Inzektors that they need to Xyz... Why? You have 2 perfectly good (and destructive) monsters out that pose a huge active threat to your opponent, why waste that unless you absolutely have to?

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[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341338697' post='5966442']
It doesn't even cause an invalid gamestate. That's like saying if someone used Threatening Roar then you can't activate Hopper.

Ladybug opens different plays, Hopper's a better utility card.

Some people seem to make this mindset with Inzektors that they need to Xyz... Why? You have 2 perfectly good (and destructive) monsters out that pose a huge active threat to your opponent, why waste that unless you absolutely have to?
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I think he meant the ruling that a Hoppered monster can attack first turn.

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[quote name='iHop' timestamp='1341339871' post='5966454']
I think he meant the ruling that a Hoppered monster can attack first turn.
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Since when?

You can't enter the bloody battle phase turn 1. .-.

[MK-ultra]

[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341340223' post='5966460']
Since when?

You can't enter the bloody battle phase turn 1. .-.
[/quote]
exactly but the way the ruleing is because u CAN send it to grave implies that you could eeven though u cant (like with overpowering eye ruleing) (thus the invalid gamestate part)

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[quote name='shadowassassin303' timestamp='1341340566' post='5966469']
exactly but the way the ruleing is because u CAN send it to grave implies that you could eeven though u cant (like with overpowering eye ruleing) (thus the invalid gamestate part)
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Again, saying that is like saying you can't use it when they use something like Threatening Roar. The way it would work in this scenario is that Hopper is sent, giving that monster the potential to attack directly. You can't enter the battle phase, but if that monster were able to attack it would be able to attack directly. If anything, the Overpowering Eye is the ruling that should be wrong.

[MK-ultra]

[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341340750' post='5966471']
Again, saying that is like saying you can't use it when they use something like Threatening Roar. The way it would work in this scenario is that Hopper is sent, giving that monster the potential to attack directly. You can't enter the battle phase, but if that monster were able to attack it would be able to attack directly. If anything, the Overpowering Eye is the ruling that should be wrong.
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no it cant work like that cause it SAYS ON THE OFFICIAL rulebook that the turn 1 player cant attack so the hopper ruleing is wrong but you can still activate it u just cant attack....... another BKSS ruleing

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So... did you read what I just said?

[MK-ultra]

yea my bad but ladybug is still a better card overall just cause it opens so many plays for u
while hopper really doesnt

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Ladybug opens up plays you shouldn't even be making, as I already said.

Hopper works as a standalone card, and is a 2500 beater with Sword.

[MK-ultra]

[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341342451' post='5966495']
Ladybug opens up plays you shouldn't even be making, as I already said.

Hopper works as a standalone card, and is a 2500 beater with Sword.
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ok hold up look at adrius, exa stag, and tiras
good card is good comes to mind
and shure hopper can stand alone but its one of those cards that ide run a veiler over rather than main a hopper
when the deck XYZs into 3,4,and 5 so well with lady bug and just opens so many plays

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Except for Ladybug you need specifically it AND Dragonfly to work. Hopper works as a standalone and does the same thing as Ladybug with Centipede. It also can win a game with its effect.

And how are any of those monsters better than 2 sticks of dynamite, for lack of a better term?

And how the actual f*** do you not have space for Hoppers and 3 Veilers? Especially when you already said you'd be using Ladybug. They just replace eachother. ._.