Alice Moonflowyr Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 now, theres probably been thousands of topics like this. But w/e. What I'm wondering here, is which one deserves a ban? [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzektor_Hornet"]Inzektor Hornet[/url] or [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzektor_Dragonfly"]Inzektor Dragonfly[/url]? IMO, It's dragonfly, and it doesnt deserve a ban. It needs to be Limited. Because think about it. What ACTUALLY allows you to SS so many monsters in a row? Which monsters effect causes that? Yep, Dragonfly. Yeah, you could argue that Hornet is the one making Dragonfly's effect go off. But another question is, are Inzektors competitive without Hornet? Not...really. I mean, sure, you have [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzektor_Hopper"]Inzektor Hopper[/url] and [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzektor_Ladybug"]Inzektor Ladybug[/url] ready to step up to the plate. But without Hornet, Hopper is really only used when combined with [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzektor_Sword_-_Zektkaliber"]Inzektor Sword - Zektcalibur[/url] to run over things such as Evolzar Laggia. Ladybug is the only one really capable of stepping up to the plate, as it allows fun with rank fives. An idea i've heard around DN is to limit/ban the sword, and semi Dragonfly. Honestly, it makes a bit of sense. After all, the loop IS called the 'Zektcalibur Loop'. It obviously relys on the sword. So if you ban Zekt, semi both Dragonfly and Centipede, then the loop is dead really. Giga-mantis is another option, sure, but no-one runs it at more than one. Heck, all the Giga's are options really. And I guess you could use the OTHER equip spells, but the allure with sword is its back-from-the-grave effect, allowing you to recycle Gigamantis or lost Inzektors. Besides, who wants to use [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzektor_Crossbow_-_Zektarrow"]Inzektor Crossbow[/url] or something..? So my thoughts are this pretty much. Ban Hornet > Inzektors lose most of their competitiveness. Limit Dragonfly > Inzektors become a lot more fair, and it's harder to pull off the loop. Ban Sword, Semi Dragonfly and Centipede > The loop dies. Anyway, discuss your thoughts. And dont just post 'Ban hornet', post your actual reasoning behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 The problem is you're seeing the loop as the only problem, and that Inzektors "need" to be competitive. Neither is the case. The deck can win just fine without the loop because of all the destruction it puts on the board. The deck obviously has to be made less competitive to balance it, but then you have to take into account that: Hitting Dragonfly destroys the entire deck anyway. Hitting Centipede does much of the same. Hitting Hornet stops them from being the destruction engine they are, making them absolutely useless. There is no way to hit them without killing the deck entirely or leaving it to wreak havoc, and honestly any one of the 3 could go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341491120' post='5967709'] The problem is you're seeing the loop as the only problem, and that Inzektors "need" to be competitive. [b]Well, the loop is the biggest problem. And whats wrong with Inzektors being competitive?[/b] Neither is the case. [b]Missing an '/opinion' tag, but w/e.[/b] The deck can win just fine without the loop because of all the destruction it puts on the board. [b]Point taken. But the thing I wrote is using the loop as an example mostly. Doing stuff like limiting/semiing dragonfly and banning sword kills two birds with one stone.[/b] The deck obviously has to be made less competitive to balance it, but then you have to take into account that: Hitting Dragonfly destroys the entire deck anyway. [b]Then they won't ban it. They'll semi it.[/b] Hitting Centipede does much of the same. [b]Read my awnser for Dragonfly.[/b] Hitting Hornet stops them from being the destruction engine they are, making them absolutely useless. [b]That's pretty much repeating what I said.[/b] There is no way to hit them without killing the deck entirely or leaving it to wreak havoc, and honestly any one of the 3 could go. [b]Then SEMI the offenders and ban sword. [/b] [/quote] Well, I tried to awnser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 And Sword is the problem and not Hornet because? Inzektors DESERVE to die. They overcentralise how people build their decks moreso than almost any card ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Sword helps the loop along. If you WANT Inzektors to die, then they should ban hornet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Hornetless-Inzektors are sorta like what Dragunities are now. Far from competitive, but not terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1341494642' post='5967740'] Hornetless-Inzektors are sorta like what Dragunities are now. Far from competitive, but not terrible. [/quote] If "not terrible" came to mind, then that was a pretty bad analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Hornet can go, the deck is still competitive w/ Lady bug being able to create Rank 5s(which are good). However, then you draw the risk of running Lady bug in multiples, so it makes creating the deck more of a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341495964' post='5967748'] If "not terrible" came to mind, then that was a pretty bad analogy. [/quote] Have you even TRIED Hornet-less? Because it's better than you think. Far from any competitive, but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1341494642' post='5967740'] Hornetless-Inzektors are sorta like what Dragunities are now. Far from competitive, but not terrible. [/quote] Atum Dragunity is extremely close to being competitive also if you limit/semi Dragonfly the deck is still broken as f*** because that one copy of Dragonfly can be retrieved through several methods. Ban Inzektor Hornet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 [quote name='byakksmodeus' timestamp='1341525048' post='5968045'] Atum Dragunity is extremely close to being competitive[/quote] Oh, of course. Never dueled it, so forgot it existed. I meant Dragunities before Atums came out. That deck that Normal Summons Scrap Dragons and Starfags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Dragonfly is easily summonable, recyclable, AND searchable @1. All you need is 1 to do the loop. No one would complain about Inzektors if Hornet didn't exist. Hornet takes away all the skill by not letting your Opponent have a card. GET RID OF IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 $10 says that they'll limit Centipede. They always hit the searcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 ^He has a point. They had no reason to hit Earth, but they did anyway. Hyperion is the one that should have fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Hitting Earth killed Agents as a deck, hitting Hyperion would have almost entirely killed Fairies as a type, and it's still perfectly usable in an Agent engine. So honestly hitting Earth was justified. Hornet's still the problem card, and I'd like to think Konami will recognise that. Floater Inzektors sounds fun anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1341592398' post='5968657'] ^He has a point. They had no reason to hit Earth, but they did anyway. [/quote] T.G. agents were topping. Hit the searcher to lower consistency. Plush Earth is a Tuner, Hyperion is just a destructor, and Venus = Xyz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 [center]If by banning Hornet Inzektors die off, then let it pass, then blame Konami for designing something that would either be dealt with strongly later via the banlist or creeped out of competitive existence.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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