Wyvernstorm Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 You know, i don't really like the new format, i know the old format is actuallly "old", but still i like it better. This card i made is actually a strong one, but it is NOT a "Beater"...it's just something with many strong effects. I don't know if its effect is OP'ed, so let me know if there's a problem about it I hope you read the description carefully, so i don't need to re-explain its effect.. Rate it as well okay, thanks. [size=5][u][b]White Liar[/b][/u][/size] [img]http://i.imgur.com/12omN.jpg[/img] [b]Lore:[/b] Once per turn, you can pay 1000 Life Points to activate one of the following effects: - All Normal Summoned monsters on the Field return to the bottom of the owner's Deck. - All Special Summoned monsters on the Field return to the bottom of the owner's Deck (if it's an Xyz, Synchro, or Fusion monster, return it to the Extra Deck.) - All monsters Sent to the Graveyard by Card Effect return to the bottom of the owner's Deck (if it's an Xyz, Synchro, or Fusion monster, return it to the Extra Deck.) - Both players cannot Special Summon any monsters from their Extra Deck for 3 turns, all Xyz, Synchro, and Fusion monsters on the Field cannot activate their Effect for 3 turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Oh gee, -1k LP to do a field sweep? TOTALLY BALANCED MAN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvernstorm Posted July 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1341778013' post='5970800'] Oh gee, -1k LP to do a field sweep? TOTALLY BALANCED MAN! [/quote] This effect apply to both players when it's activated, i think its effect almost like Dark Hole or Heavy Storm. (Though its effect only affect monsters which is summoned in certain ways.) Can u please explain more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomnolentWandaranda Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Having Zero ATK while being Light Fairy Type means it can be easily searched by cards like Sangan, Nova Summoner and Shining Angel. Sangan is Limited, but the latter are all Unlimited. I don't know about being OP, but this card is way too splashable o_O. White Liar is[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo, Dark Hole, Pot of Avarice combined, with weaker effect, but can be easily searched.[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]And, I guess it's a little weird, but this card would actually work very well in a Synchro - Xyz deck. Fossil Dyna Pachcephalo and the ever popular Archlord Kristya prevent Special Summoning in general, which means even their controller can't Special Summoning. But this card can just clear the entire field of Synchro or Xyz, while still being able to easily make Synchro or Xyz later, because it's a Monster Card with perfect level to do so.[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]And to make thing worse, unlike Dark Hole, this card doesn't destroy anything, make it hard to counter. Cards aren't sent to Graveyard means a lot of thing to Meta Deck. There are Anti Meta Decks using this tactic.[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]All with just one easily searched card o_O.[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvernstorm Posted July 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='SomnolentWandaranda' timestamp='1341813382' post='5971471'] Having Zero ATK while being Light Fairy Type means it can be easily searched by cards like Sangan, Nova Summoner and Shining Angel. Sangan is Limited, but the latter are all Unlimited. I don't know about being OP, but this card is way too splashable o_O. White Liar is[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo, Dark Hole, Pot of Avarice combined, with weaker effect, but can be easily searched.[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]And, I guess it's a little weird, but this card would actually work very well in a Synchro - Xyz deck. Fossil Dyna Pachcephalo and the ever popular Archlord Kristya prevent Special Summoning in general, which means even their controller can't Special Summoning. But this card can just clear the entire field of Synchro or Xyz, while still being able to easily make Synchro or Xyz later, because it's a Monster Card with perfect level to do so.[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]And to make thing worse, unlike Dark Hole, this card doesn't destroy anything, make it hard to counter. Cards aren't sent to Graveyard means a lot of thing to Meta Deck. There are Anti Meta Decks using this tactic.[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]All with just one easily searched card o_O.[/font] [/quote] Yeah makes sense Should i make the cost of its effect 2000 LP instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc. Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1341778013' post='5970800'] Oh gee, -1k LP to do a field sweep? TOTALLY BALANCED MAN! [/quote] YOU SAY THAT LIKE DARK HOLE OR RAIGEKI IS BALANCED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Wyvernstorm' timestamp='1341809132' post='5971397'] This effect apply to both players when it's activated, i think its effect almost like Dark Hole or Heavy Storm. (Though its effect only affect monsters which is summoned in certain ways.) Can u please explain more? [/quote] There's a difference between destroying monsters and returning them to the Deck. That difference alone makes this card broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astolfo Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Simon Belmont' timestamp='1341831591' post='5971637'] YOU SAY THAT LIKE DARK HOLE OR RAIGEKI IS BALANCED. [/quote] [color=#000066][b]Oh hi guise. My name's Reborn! [/b][/color] [color=#000066][b]No. >.> Retrieving something from the deck is much more annoying then just grabbing it from the grave.[/b][/color] [color=#000066][b]OT: Try making effect only usable once per duel, cost is 2000-3000 LP ish, and it's destroy and not return to deck. Also, try adding a minor restriction to each choosable effect (example: tributing one ss'd monster for 1st eff, 1 normal summoned for 2nd, etc)[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garthfunkle Vii Backwards Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 once per turn mean you can only activate the eff during your turn you want to activate during your opponents turn for the most part and add more of a cost some how like once per turn during any player's turn you can tribute 1 face-up monster you control except "white liar" and pay 1000lp to activate one of these effects giving up a monster is a cost but maybe not a good one but you need white liar and anthor monster for its effect meaning no first turn advantage like dino rabbbit into dino xyz plays unless you ss something some how and to ss or double ns means anthor card needs be added to play the effect of white lair reducing the % of getting to play it on the first hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomnolentWandaranda Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Dusk Neph' timestamp='1341836357' post='5971667'] [color=#000066][b]OT: Try making effect only usable once per duel, cost is 2000-3000 LP ish, and it's destroy and not return to deck. Also, try adding a minor restriction to each choosable effect (example: tributing one ss'd monster for 1st eff, 1 normal summoned for 2nd, etc)[/b][/color] [/quote] Destroy + 2000-3000LP: Better add Dark Hole or Torrential Tribute instead. Once per duel: Sound good. It seems that this card tends to reset the entire duel to some extent, so once per duel is enough restriction, while still keeping this card's usefulness. If it's just about destroying, then there's nothing new or creative about it. How about making this card's cost base on the amount of cards it would affect? 200 per stars and 400 per ranks? Or maybe it should cost half of your LP. By the way, Fabled Monster or Infernity are often sent to Graveyard by Cost, not by Effect. You should do something about this as well . [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][color=#5A5A5A][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]All monsters Sent to the Graveyard by Card Effect => [/background][/size][/color][/font]"Monster Cards that were sent to the Graveyard, except when it's destroyed by battle"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvernstorm Posted July 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='SomnolentWandaranda' timestamp='1341844939' post='5971754'] Destroy + 2000-3000LP: Better add Dark Hole or Torrential Tribute instead. Once per duel: Sound good. It seems that this card tends to reset the entire duel to some extent, so once per duel is enough restriction, while still keeping this card's usefulness. If it's just about destroying, then there's nothing new or creative about it. How about making this card's cost base on the amount of cards it would affect? 200 per stars and 400 per ranks? Or maybe it should cost half of your LP. By the way, Fabled Monster or Infernity are often sent to Graveyard by Cost, not by Effect. You should do something about this as well . [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][color=#5A5A5A][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]All monsters Sent to the Graveyard by Card Effect => [/background][/size][/color][/font]"Monster Cards that were sent to the Graveyard, except when it's destroyed by battle"? [/quote] Do u mean once per duel for each effect? like (each effect can only be used once per duel) It has 4 effect, 2000 LP for each, the total will be 8000, what do u think? I don't feel like changing its effect (the options) because it's something new i think, but the cost or the restriction will be fine maybe (like once per duel, or once per turn, or halve LP, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love of Ghibli Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Wyvernstorm' timestamp='1341845782' post='5971772'] Do u mean once per duel for each effect? like (each effect can only be used once per duel) It has 4 effect, 2000 LP for each, the total will be 8000, what do u think? I don't feel like changing its effect (the options) because it's something new i think, but the cost or the restriction will be fine maybe (like once per duel, or once per turn, or halve LP, etc.) [/quote] The options aren't new they're overpowered and to be honest they technically already exist in other cards (that are nerfed because once again they are overpowered) 1: Vylon Omega: except Vylon Omega says destroys and you have to move mountains to get him on the field <hyperbole but still 2: Steelswarm/Evilswarm Archetype, Special Hurricane, [b]Fossil Dyna[/b], Jowgen the Spiritualist once again destroy because sending to bottom of the deck is just troll face and unredeemable 3. Save this one for later 4. Discord and Non-Fusion area. Xyz are probably getting one eventually. Those are individual nerfed versions of your one card. The ONLY way that card can be balanced is if you paid half to do ONE effect Once per duel (as in you do one of them and you can't do the other 3) Also 3 (along with 1 and 2) are really just what happens if you breakdown the steps taken in [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Fiber_Jar"]perma-banned[/url] minus the hand part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvernstorm Posted July 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Beginning446' timestamp='1341847461' post='5971802'] The options aren't new they're overpowered and to be honest they technically already exist in other cards (that are nerfed because once again they are overpowered) 1: Vylon Omega: except Vylon Omega says destroys and you have to move mountains to get him on the field <hyperbole but still 2: Steelswarm/Evilswarm Archetype, Special Hurricane, [b]Fossil Dyna[/b], Jowgen the Spiritualist once again destroy because sending to bottom of the deck is just troll face and unredeemable 3. Save this one for later 4. Discord and Non-Fusion area. Xyz are probably getting one eventually. Those are individual nerfed versions of your one card. The ONLY way that card can be balanced is if you paid half to do ONE effect Once per duel (as in you do one of them and you can't do the other 3) Also 3 (along with 1 and 2) are really just what happens if you breakdown the steps taken in [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Fiber_Jar"]perma-banned[/url] minus the hand part. [/quote] I don't mean each of them are new, it's the combination, i think if we combine some of monsters effects it will make a good card, but of course the maker should add more restrictions and costs...but nvm, ur arguments make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 The part about bouncing Normal Summoned monsters killed it. The 3rd effect seems pointless. We already have Fossil Dyna, which field-sweeps Special Summons, but that needs to be flipped face-up. You can just drop this, plus 1000 to bounce them to the deck. The fact that this can do the same to Normal Summons is even worse. A 1000 LP cost doesn't matter because Life Points really don't matter much. This is a 1-card-solves-all card that requires no skill beyond knowing when you should drop this field sweeper and completely stop your opponent's deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love of Ghibli Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='God Machismo!!!!!' timestamp='1341850627' post='5971865'] The part about bouncing Normal Summoned monsters killed it. The 3rd effect seems pointless. We already have Fossil Dyna, which [b]field-sweeps Special Summons[/b], but that needs to be flipped face-up. You can just drop this, plus 1000 to bounce them to the deck. The fact that this can do the same to Normal Summons is even worse. A 1000 LP cost doesn't matter because Life Points really don't matter much. This is a 1-card-solves-all card that requires no skill beyond knowing when you should drop this field sweeper and completely stop your opponent's deck. [/quote] You can starlight road and THRiO a Fossil Dyna though lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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