Blake Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 [center][img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120609010710/yugioh/images/thumb/3/36/VolcanicShell-DT06-EN-DNPR-DT.jpg/300px-VolcanicShell-DT06-EN-DNPR-DT.jpg[/img][/center] [center]Because I brought this up in the FHD thread, and it's a prime example of... Well, it's not outright broken, so how to put this... Well, I'm using broken very loosely here. It's an example of "Broken" vs. "Broken in a Situation".[/center] [center]In the current game state, this card isn't noticeable, really. No high tier decks use it, and there's no specific combo that uses it, so, on paper, it's balanced. But, that's really not the truth. It's comparable to Destiny HERO - Malicious in the same way that Sinister Serpent is comparable to Treeborn Frog. That is to say, loosely, but the same basic idea. It's a stream of easy, deck thinning +1s, which the decks that use it love because of how they use up resources. It can make a cost free easily, and the only exchange is that it exists purely for fodder; like the other three cards mentioned. In an ideal game, a card like this would go to 2, but it's not an ideal game.[/center] [center]Anyways, done rambling. Discuss.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 It's an amazing card with its own engine. That reminds me... *goes to WC to make Volcanic Support* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Yeah,i dont really like these "Free stuff for nothing anyone can do" cards,they're a pretty bad way to design cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWashStation Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 I actually hate this card so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 This + Thunder Dragon in Gem-Knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='God Machismo!!!!!' timestamp='1341880458' post='5972528'] This + Thunder Dragon in Gem-Knights. [/quote] Actually, the bunny told Thunder Dragon to gtfo >= This didn't need to, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 I hate the bunny so much. He back-flucks so many good cards just because he outclasses their abilities. OT: I like it for what it was originally used for; Blaze Accelerator fodder that gets passed Starlight Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Does any competent deck outside of Gem-Knights even run this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1341881748' post='5972548'] I hate the bunny so much. He back-flucks so many good cards just because he outclasses their abilities. [/quote] He also made Normal Monsters except Mystical Shine Ball actually viable. It's good card design. OT: The only thing that is to be discussed in here has been already said, but I'm gonna say it again anyways. Gem-Knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1341913404' post='5972857'] He also made Normal Monsters except Mystical Shine Ball actually viable. It's good card design. [/quote] Jesus Christ I hope you're joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 On one hand, I'm seeing more vanillas. On the other hand, I'm f***ing seeing XYZ spamming. Clearly the benefits outweigh the negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341913891' post='5972859'] Jesus Christ I hope you're joking. [/quote] I'm deadly serious bro. See, Rescue Rabbit made dozens of decks possible on its own. It made crappy Normal Monsters usable, if not even extremely abusable, at times. In my eyes, the undermeta is way more important than the tournaments. Also, face it: Without Laggia, Rabbit's only tournament-level use is Ophion. Yes, Rabbit supports broken stuff, but it also supports a hundred underpowered decks that can't live without it. And before you say "they'd eventually have to ban it anyways because they'd release more broken non-Generic Xyz": All Konami has to do is to make them "2x Level 4 X-Type Effect Monsters". I doubt they'd be that smart, but given a solution exists, Rabbit isn't the main problem. You guys HAVEN'T seen Vanilla Dark World.dek. Neither have you guys seen Labyrinth Tank.dek. All those depend on Rabbit. Why kill them off in the process too? I don't want Lonefire to happen again. They should have killed Dandy instead. Same with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1341914358' post='5972864'] I'm deadly serious bro. See, Rescue Rabbit made dozens of decks possible on its own. It made crappy Normal Monsters usable, if not even extremely abusable, at times. In my eyes, the undermeta is way more important than the tournaments. Also, face it: Without Laggia, Rabbit's only tournament-level use is Ophion. Yes, Rabbit supports broken stuff, but it also supports a hundred underpowered decks that can't live without it. And before you say "they'd eventually have to ban it anyways because they'd release more broken non-Generic Xyz": All Konami has to do is to make them "2x Level 4 X-Type Effect Monsters". I doubt they'd be that smart, but given a solution exists, Rabbit isn't the main problem. You guys HAVEN'T seen Vanilla Dark World.dek. Neither have you guys seen Labyrinth Tank.dek. All those depend on Rabbit. Why kill them off in the process too? I don't want Lonefire to happen again. They should have killed Dandy instead. Same with this. [/quote] [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1341914358' post='5972864'] I'm deadly serious bro. See, Rescue Rabbit made dozens of decks possible on its own. It made crappy Normal Monsters usable, if not even extremely abusable, at times. In my eyes, the undermeta is way more important than the tournaments. Also, face it: Without Laggia, Rabbit's only tournament-level use is Ophion. Yes, Rabbit supports broken stuff, but it also supports a hundred underpowered decks that can't live without it. And before you say "they'd eventually have to ban it anyways because they'd release more broken non-Generic Xyz": All Konami has to do is to make them "2x Level 4 X-Type Effect Monsters". I doubt they'd be that smart, but given a solution exists, Rabbit isn't the main problem. You guys HAVEN'T seen Vanilla Dark World.dek. Neither have you guys seen Labyrinth Tank.dek. All those depend on Rabbit. Why kill them off in the process too? I don't want Lonefire to happen again. They should have killed Dandy instead. Same with this. [/quote] Kenta, we all know how this is gonna end. People will b**** and complain about Rabbit because the guy who wrote the effect, or was ordered to, didn't put a clause saying no other monster could be Special Summoned that turn. Namely, I see the combo being broken. Very few people (At my locals at least) will want to try out new and fun decks. Why? Cause they want to win and to do so they will field the most broken combo and thus making Rabbit a target under the large and unlidded red eye that is YCM. Now, PM me and tell me more about these new decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Rabbit was made as Xyz support. Its casual decks also Xyz using it. Ban Laggia, and it's over. Dolkka is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 OR people like me can learn to have counters for Rabbit. Problem slightly solved. Now, tell me more about these under meta decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Except Laggia is good design, and killing it would kill Evols along with Dino decks that evolved from the fact that Laggia exists. Which are a f*** of a lot more important to keep seeing as they're better than any of the undermeta stuff you feel the need to protect. Rabbit is a 1-card-Xyz which is f***ing abysmal design. Rabbit IS the problem. Limiting it is the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341915288' post='5972874'] Except Laggia is good design, and killing it would kill Evols along with Dino decks that evolved from the fact that Laggia exists. [b]Which are a f*** of a lot more important to keep seeing as they're better than any of the undermeta stuff you feel the need to protect.[/b][/quote] Seeing as your bolded opinion is the complete opposite of my main thesis, I don't think we can ever conclude this argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1341916248' post='5972882'] Seeing as your bolded opinion is the complete opposite of my main thesis, I don't think we can ever conclude this argument. [/quote] Your main thesis is trying to not kill horribly undermeta decks which the banlist doesn't care for. The banlist cares for the top decks and the top decks only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 He's got a point there Kenta. Across my years with Wargaming and TCG, very few games care about the smaller stuff like "under" metas and stuff. I know a few but YGO isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 On paper, it's a great card for Dragunity. Thin the deck more, free Ravine discard ect ect. Horrible in practice. Anyway... Volcanics had some good cards, but just not enough ability. It makes me and Welche sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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