Who's Up for Fabled Support? [Fabled Hydra]

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Image Credit goes to El-Bartonka~

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[i]Lore: 1 or more “Fabled” Tuners + 1 or more non-Tuner monsters
Once per turn: You can discard 2 cards to target 1 card in your Graveyard; add it to your hand. If the card added to your hand is a Level 4 or lower “Fabled” monster: You can Special Summon it in face-up Attack Position; it cannot declare an attack.[/i][/center]

Fabled monsters are seriously underused and so I thought I'd give them some support. Since the whole archetype revolves around discarding cards, I made this card purposely for recycling. With the ability to use 1 or more tuners, it will allow for summoning versatility. Finally, with a 2600 ATK, this card can handle itself quite well against the current slew of monsters. Hopefully, this card will be able to give Fableds the tools they need for success.

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I'm gonna say it's balanced for now, but that could easily change depending on how it would actually play in testing. Theory is one thing, and the -1, despite being able to grab anything in the Graveyard, seems fine, especially since plenty of Fabled cards can do similar things anyway, but it's definitely something to pay attention to when designing cards like that.

The stats are fine, and the fact that it requires a "Fabled" Tuner is the only thing that really makes it balanced. It would no doubt boost the Deck.

[Blake]

First off, this should be a "The" Fabled, and should be a beast.

On to the card itself... I'd never use it.

I have to -1 myself to summon this thing, then -1 myself again to add a card back? Not ALL Fableds even like being discarded. In fact, only 5-8 cards per Fabled deck like to be discarded, not including variants like Wind-up Fableds. You can't include "but you discard stuff to SS" as an argument because you're STILL paying 2 for 1 after paying 2+ monsters for 1 Synchro.

You pay too hefty a cost for too low a gain. And you'd never want to SS the Fabled you added, because you'll be adding a combo piece. Krus, Ganashia, Kushano (You're adding this to your hand with this because...?), Grimro, Cerburrel, Chawa. Not one of those want that.

The only redeeming factor is 2600 ATK, so I guess I might use it over Gaia in the Extra, which isn't even warranting its own space this format in the deck. Brio's the only level 6 you need, and it is far superior to this.

Lower the stats to, say, 2400 and make it a 1-4-1 if anything. Oh, and keep the flavor, make it "The Fabled Hydra" and a Beast =/

And in what universe are Fableds UNDERused? They're a fairly popular undermeta deck. ._.

[Synchronized]

^ I was waiting for your reply. I figured you'd either agree with me that it wasn't broken or somehow come up with the justification that I was totally wrong.

Like I said though, if it was generic, it might be too good due to looping potential.

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[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1342310802' post='5978321']
First off, this should be a "The" Fabled, and should be a beast.

On to the card itself... I'd never use it.

I have to -1 myself to summon this thing, then -1 myself again to add a card back? Not ALL Fableds even like being discarded. In fact, only 5-8 cards per Fabled deck like to be discarded, not including variants like Wind-up Fableds. You can't include "but you discard stuff to SS" as an argument because you're STILL paying 2 for 1 after paying 2+ monsters for 1 Synchro.

You pay too hefty a cost for too low a gain. And you'd never want to SS the Fabled you added, because you'll be adding a combo piece. Krus, Ganashia, Kushano (You're adding this to your hand with this because...?), Grimro, Cerburrel, Chawa. Not one of those want that.

The only redeeming factor is 2600 ATK, so I guess I might use it over Gaia in the Extra, which isn't even warranting its own space this format in the deck. Brio's the only level 6 you need, and it is far superior to this.

Lower the stats to, say, 2400 and make it a 1-4-1 if anything. Oh, and keep the flavor, make it "The Fabled Hydra" and a Beast =/

And in what universe are Fableds UNDERused? They're a fairly popular undermeta deck. ._.
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I thought about whether this should be one of "The Fabled" or just a "Fabled" and I chose the latter because it looked more to me like a Fiend rather than a Beast, but of course that is just a matter of preferences.

Good point, at first it was 1 for 1 on the discarding and adding effect. Do you think it'd be better that way? Also, Special Summoning effect is aimed towards getting Synchro materials onto the field if need be, it's optional so really can't be complained about.

Don't know about lowering the stats. I like it, but I'll see what other people think first.

Really? I don't see Fabled all that often anymore but hey, that's just me. Either way, Fabled still need support.

[Blake]

[quote name='.:Blu:.' timestamp='1342311625' post='5978337']
I thought about whether this should be one of "The Fabled" or just a "Fabled" and I chose the latter because it looked more to me like a Fiend rather than a Beast, but of course that is just a matter of preferences.

Good point, at first it was 1 for 1 on the discarding and adding effect. Do you think it'd be better that way? Also, Special Summoning effect is aimed towards getting Synchro materials onto the field if need be, it's optional so really can't be complained about.

Don't know about lowering the stats. I like it, but I'll see what other people think first.

Really? I don't see Fabled all that often anymore but hey, that's just me. Either way, Fabled still need support.
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The whole naming scheme of Fableds is
Name based on Demon/somethign similar? "Fabled"/Fiend-type
Name based on mythological/legendary creature? "The Fabled"/Beast-Type

It's simply a bad flavor design to break tradition for literally no reason, when you named it Hydra. And on that topic, care to tell me how Nozoochee looks like a Beast? Or Rubyruda? Or Kokkator? They look like other types, but they're still beasts. Change the name and type or change the name and art.

Raven is an exception because he's a reference to a Castelvania Villain.

A 2600 1-for-1that aids in the general gameplan is pretty clearly bad design, even if stuck to an archetype. Its stats shouldn't be higher than 2400 if its effect is worthwhile at all. Honestly, NO Lv. 6 Synchro should have an effect with 2600 stats. Gaia Knight has 2600 because he has no effect. That is his pay off. It's terrible design to give it an effect with higher stats. If you want it to be stronger than others, it needs a piddling effect, and for a better effect, weaker stats. That's basic card design.

And you can complain about optional effects because they're just extraneous things that live to be exploited or rot, which is the core of bad design.