WhoAreYou? Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Blahblahblah typical veiler thread. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/HrsV8.jpg[/IMG] Discuss Effect Veiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 FOOL! Veiler's best use is obviously to be Synchro fodder along with a Hieratic for Ancient Sacred Wyvern, BRD, or Exploder Dragonwing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I know I'm going to get attacked for saying this, but I'm starting to like it less and less. Maybe it's just my local area, but it's useless in so many matchups, and I find Fiendish Chain to be a significantly better option. I find it decreases consistency and slows down plenty of my plays when I'd rather just keep it sided at the most. The only thing I'd even wish I had it for is Wind-Ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I think Konami should just limit it, just to discourage people from using this card and use those extra spaces in the deck for something more self-sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 No reason for Konami to limit/ban this - they should just kill off all the threats that make this necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAreYou? Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 [quote name='b0b3rt' timestamp='1342723370' post='5982995'] No reason for Konami to limit/ban this - they should just kill off all the threats that make this necessary. [/quote] So... kill everything but veiler then? [/exaggeration] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1342721715' post='5982967'] I think Konami should just limit it, just to discourage people from using this card and use those extra spaces in the deck for something more self-sufficient. [/quote] If there weren't so many powerhouse monsters, people wouldn't be encouraged to run this in multiples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 [quote name='WhoAreYou?' timestamp='1342725058' post='5983028'] So... kill everything but veiler then? [/exaggeration] [/quote] Yeah. The main reason veiler is so commonly used is because of monsters with stupid overpowered effects. Just like how DD Crow was mained when there was a lot of emphasis on grave and grave revival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I've personally never decided whether this was good design or not. I mean, it's basically a meta-specific counter that makes a star appearance once or twice every few formats. Still, Crow and Veiler are probably the most interactive hand traps still they do require you to think about your opponent's moves much more than the others. I'll go with decent card design, but nothing extraordinary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAreYou? Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 [quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1342725648' post='5983037'] Yeah. The main reason veiler is so commonly used is because of monsters with stupid overpowered effects. Just like how DD Crow was mained when there was a lot of emphasis on grave and grave revival. [/quote] Speaking of Crow, it makes me sad that I haven't seen crow in play for nearly two years. OT: Veiler is one of my favorite cards. Because it shits on wind-ups and every other top tier decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I love Veiler to bits, it gives you a feeling of such safety to be sitting behind it, especially against Wind-Up. I play 3 in every Deck that isn't Bubble Beat or plays Skill Drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Useless against Heroes, Sams, Chaos Dragons, and DWs. I don't like this card one bit, and if it wasn't for the herp derp Handloop, Inzektor +4, and Rabbit + set 4 cards, I wouldn't even consider maining it. Edit: Forgot the Hieratic OTK cannon. This game is atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 [quote name='Wizarus' timestamp='1342730171' post='5983093'] Useless against Heroes, Sams, Chaos Dragons, and DWs. I don't like this card one bit, and if it wasn't for the herp derp Handloop, Inzektor +4, and Rabbit + set 4 cards, I wouldn't even consider maining it. Edit: Forgot the Hieratic OTK cannon. This game is atrocious. [/quote] That's the nature of the card. There's nothing wrong with that. If a card can fall in and out of play without being outclassed in its job, it's generally positive design. I'm actually going to take back my previous point in a previous post, and say it's actually pretty good design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSektor Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 This card stops OTKs and ridiculously broken cards. I don't see a reason to limit/ban a fair card. Everybody runs @3 because everybody also runs 3423^34534 broken monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1342732538' post='5983134'] That's the nature of the card. There's nothing wrong with that. If a card can fall in and out of play without being outclassed in its job, it's generally positive design. I'm actually going to take back my previous point in a previous post, and say it's actually pretty good design. [/quote] I never said it was bad design, I said that I wouldn't run it if I didn't have broken crap I had to counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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