Dementuo Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 For about 99% of the situations you'd actually [i]need[/i] to use this thing's 3-mat. effect, you'd be losing. In those situations, it's extremely unlikely that you'd be able to pull out 3 level 4s from nowhere. And just like with Shark Drake, even if you COULD drop this, there are generally better options (Disigma, Ouroboros). All in all, it's situational, just as Shark Drake is. Yes, it has its uses, and is definitely still usable, but there would almost never be a time where you could both get 3 level 4s, and actually need to summon this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I just summoned this against GEPD @4000 and REDMD in Disaster. You were saying? There are plenty of situations for it. It's not underwhelming, it's a good, solid card. Any deck that can summon it realistically can use it to great effect, especially its titular deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344199127' post='5998211'] I just summoned this against GEPD @4000 and REDMD in Disaster. You were saying? There are plenty of situations for it. It's not underwhelming, it's a good, solid card.[b] Any deck that can summon it realistically[/b] can use it to great effect, especially its titular deck. [/quote] First point: What deck were you using? And once again, that is only one situation where you've summoned it. You didn't even give any detail on how you summoned it. Playing a card one time where you need it does not make it good. You of all people should be above that sort of argument. Second point: Name three deck that could realistically summon this in a bad situation. Any three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 [quote name='Dementuo' timestamp='1344197767' post='5998203'] For about 99% of the situations you'd actually [i]need[/i] to use this thing's 3-mat. effect, you'd be losing. In those situations, it's extremely unlikely that you'd be able to pull out 3 level 4s from nowhere. And just like with Shark Drake, even if you COULD drop this, there are generally better options (Disigma, Ouroboros). All in all, it's situational, just as Shark Drake is. Yes, it has its uses, and is definitely still usable, but there would almost never be a time where you could both get 3 level 4s, and actually need to summon this. [/quote] I get out Shock Ruler and Disgma all the time, what are you talking about? Gishki Beast to bring back *Level 4 Gishki name here* and use the *Other Level 4 Gishki name here* is just one of the methods I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 [quote name='Dementuo' timestamp='1344216076' post='5998360'] First point: What deck were you using? And once again, that is only one situation where you've summoned it. You didn't even give any detail on how you summoned it. Playing a card one time where you need it does not make it good. You of all people should be above that sort of argument. Second point: Name three deck that could realistically summon this in a bad situation. Any three. [/quote] The point was that it can be used in situations like the one I listed where Ouroboros/Shark Drake/Disigma won't cut it. I've needed it a few times. Thunder Family, Gadgets potentially, Xyzombies. At that, who says you can't have resources when the opponent has a leg up? If they're beating the hell out of you, sure, you won't have many resources normally. But you can summon this when you're not in an absolute corner. It's not a Chaos Number, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1344216388' post='5998364'] I get out Shock Ruler and Disgma all the time, what are you talking about? Gishki Beast to bring back *Level 4 Gishki name here* and use the *Other Level 4 Gishki name here* is just one of the methods I use. [/quote] You seem to have missed "In a bad situation". Furthermore, whilst playing Gishkis, you will never need this as Gishkis can handle field control on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 [quote name='Dementuo' timestamp='1344216650' post='5998371'] You seem to have missed "In a bad situation". Furthermore, whilst playing Gishkis, you will never need this as Gishkis can handle field control on their own. [/quote] To be fair, you said "any three". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Never said you wouldn't have resources, but in any situation where you'd need this, you most likely won't be able to summon it. Can it work? Yes. Is it likely to work? Not particularly. Is it more consistent that Disigma/Ouroboros? Not really. I'm not saying the card is bad, I'm saying that there's no reason to run it with how it is now, compared to the other options that are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Have you ever heard of the word "toolbox"? That's what the extra is. In decks that can consistently make it, it is a great option, and you should try to fit it in. Some decks have more generic targets that take up space, others don't. There's no reason not to run it if you can, because you're acting as if Disigma and Ouroboros are guaranteed to cover almost any n, when they're not. Just like this. Also, when you give a prompt, it's not very sporting to ignore when it's been met. By the by, this works quite a lot, and I summon it about the same amount as Disigma. (null) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Noble Knights can do it with 2 cards. Yeah... take that... *goes back to reading the newspaper* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344217220' post='5998377'] Have you ever heard of the word "toolbox"? That's what the extra is. In decks that can consistently make it, it is a great option, and you should try to fit it in. Some decks have more generic targets that take up space, others don't. There's no reason not to run it if you can, because you're acting as if Disigma and Ouroboros are guaranteed to cover almost anything, when they're not. Just like this. [b](I never once said that.)[/b] Also, when you give a prompt, it's not very sporting to ignore when it's been met. [b](I felt there was nothing left to be said on the matter.)[/b] By the by, this works quite a lot, and I summon it about the same amount as Disigma. [b](Great, it works for you. I've tested this card before in decks like Gadgets, and other decks where I've ran the 3-mats. This was never needed and was never summoned.)[/b] (null) [/quote] Again, I never said the card was bad. I said it was underwhelming compared to what we already have. Perhaps during the time that I tested this card, it was merely by chance that I never needed it, or maybe it was by chance that you needed it so much. Regardless, I don't see much use in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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