In the Dark World: There will be cake. LAST CARD ADDED

[Sander]

[quote name='Spenсe' timestamp='1351024639' post='6051902']
Hmm.. that's quite the strategy, albeit the set-up. I'll edit the effect to make it so you can't target your own cards to bounce.
(which is morose true because its effect relies on your opponent to have set cards, thus more than likely playing something that can counter it. Otherwise its just a big beater, which isn't that appealing to dark worlds).
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Oh yeah, beaters aren't appealing to Dark Worlds...are you daft? Why do you think people run Grapha outside from the pop-a-card effect? BECAUSE IT'S A F***ING BEATER! But other than that, nobody would actually run it, not in competitive DW builds, that is. It wold dead draw and it would suck when the only cards left in your hand are this hand Grapha and a Dragged Down, but the card is still broken in its current state, as a 3700 (4000 with gates) beater that's pretty easy to drop is still broken and badly designed.

[lce]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1351030106' post='6051971']
Oh yeah, beaters aren't appealing to Dark Worlds...are you daft? Why do you think people run Grapha outside from the pop-a-card effect? BECAUSE IT'S A F***ING BEATER! But other than that, nobody would actually run it, not in competitive DW builds, that is. It wold dead draw and it would suck when the only cards left in your hand are this hand Grapha and a Dragged Down, but the card is still broken in its current state, as a 3700 (4000 with gates) beater that's pretty easy to drop is still broken and badly designed.
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Going by this, one should expect to see Malefic Cyber End in Dark World, but that doesn't happen all too often.

[Spenсe]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1351030106' post='6051971']
Oh yeah, beaters aren't appealing to Dark Worlds...are you daft? Why do you think people run Grapha outside from the pop-a-card effect? BECAUSE IT'S A F***ING BEATER! But other than that, nobody would actually run it, not in competitive DW builds, that is. It wold dead draw and it would suck when the only cards left in your hand are this hand Grapha and a Dragged Down, but the card is still broken in its current state, as a 3700 (4000 with gates) beater that's pretty easy to drop is still broken and badly designed.
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I didn't say they don't have beaters. I meant they don't need high beaters, since not many things can get over Grapha, and whatever does can simply be destroyed by discarding him. The meta right now doesn't have many high beaters. The only thing I can think of that Grapha would have a hard time getting over is maybe Shining.

I don't understand your logic. You say its not competitive and no one would actually play it, then you say its broken and badly designed. You seem to be complaining just for the sake of complaining.

And btw beater =/= broken.

[Synchronized]

Egad man, Ameths is broken beyond belief.

The others one are too, but a recyclable Fiend that means Grapha is ALWAYS live and Gates of Dark World is ALWAYS live if you have two copies of the card in addition to burn, is just way too broken. I'm very afraid.

[FreelancerRaiko]

Well aside from really befitting artwork, yeah Dark Worlds don't need any more support. Sort of like making more heroes. We don't really need any more than what we got.

[Spenсe]

Edited some cards.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

Alright, the combo for Onyxus is basically "set-up" for DAD with Dark Worlds, then go into him and "profit". Pop 3 cards with DAD, and Summon this guy so now you have something that's really troublesome: A 2800 Beater that banishes DARK monsters for "free" pops, and a 3700 ATK beater that not only "reduces" face-downs to nothing more than "fodder" so you can pull off your big plays AND sets up for more "pops" with DAD. Even if the card won't be run as much as you say it is, it's still bad design and if it does go off, it nearly gives you the win which is not good for player-player interaction.

Oh and Set-Up for Dark Worlds is pretty much "generic" since you can dedicate a deck for him OR play the decently effective route with Gates. Either way, 3 banished Dark World monsters is just easy set up in itself as much as 3 DARKs in the Graveyard are for DAD.

2nd Errata on Ameths: Very nice.

Normally I'd get around Stardust by beating it over with Grapha. Now I lessen that stress and make a compulsory effect out of it. Not only that, but because it's just "opponent's card" I have free reign on their backrow as well. The card is effective, and efficient while still giving your opponent a chance, and can combo well with Mind Crush should you know what they have AS WELL as Dark Smog "compulsory" plays.

2nd Errata on Onyxus: Hmm...interesting.

With it's stats severely decreased, and it's "strange" ability to be Summoned, it's actually...decent. I can run a banish-type deck that can make even my opponent's banish plays worthwhile for my own, I can recycle banished "Dark World" monsters that were sent there by Gates, and now I can profit a little more efficiently from my cards. However, it takes a little more "cleaver" plays to get him out and even if you DO get him out, a 3300 ATK beater is much more easily dealt with than a 4000 ATK beater by the same standards. As a boss monster next to Grapha...he looks alright. I'd probably run him 2 at most because of his potentiality of being a Dead Draw, and perhaps Necro Face is Dark World's newest best friend?