D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [center][img]http://i.imgur.com/ug0Zb.jpg[/img][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 So let me get this straight, you didn't even consider the fact that this is Exodia's own version of Pot of Greed that also sets up Hope for Escape plays which will give you at least 2 new cards to draw if you activate it after this card, which also is a 2 card game winner when ran in Simochi burn? Yeah, what made you think this was a good idea at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1351098520' post='6052793'] So let me get this straight, you didn't even consider the fact that this is Exodia's own version of Pot of Greed that also sets up Hope for Escape plays which will give you at least 2 new cards to draw if you activate it after this card, which also is a 2 card game winner when ran in Simochi burn? Yeah, what made you think this was a good idea at all? [/quote] Cause I felt like it. EDIT: All snarky comments aside. I just wanted to make a +1 Upstart but 2000 life gain for your opp. seemed to little of a gain as compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRose0202 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1351098520' post='6052793'] So let me get this straight, you didn't even consider the fact that this is Exodia's own version of Pot of Greed that also sets up Hope for Escape plays which will give you at least 2 new cards to draw if you activate it after this card, which also is a 2 card game winner when ran in Simochi burn? Yeah, what made you think this was a good idea at all? [/quote]Ok really unnecessary post since your being kinda rude for no reason if you thought this card was not good then say it in a nicer way or don't post and this card is a good idea but with the cards available to us now a days it would be banned the moment it came out but the idea is solid. I personally would change to "Remove from play 2 Level 5 or higher cards from your Graveyard; Draw 2 cards. hope this helped alittle. And i like the pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 While it's true that the type of Deck that would definitely use this card doesn't care how many Life Points the opponent has and might actually benefit from the opponent having higher Life Points, this card is extremely powerful in normal Decks as well. Why? Let's say, hypothetically, you play 3 on the first turn. You've just given your opponent 12000 Life Points, about enough to stall for 3 turns. In exchange, you now have 9 cards in your hand instead of 6. In those three turns (or even on that first turn), you will be able to completely anihilate your opponent's future, either by wiping their hand, or by putting something ridiculous on the field like Quasar, 5 backrows, or double Shock Master. Barring something like counter-teched Ancient Leaf, your opponent will just run out of cards before you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimmepie Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 As stated this card is ridiculous when you consider Hope for Escape and Simoch. Newhat's suggestion would make this card not only better balanced but it gives it playability in more than just exodia decks. Without those changes I'd say it's about a 2/10 maybe 3 because I have seen things far worse. With those changes it would be about a 6 or 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='BlackRose0202' timestamp='1351100420' post='6052827'] Ok really unnecessary post since your being kinda rude for no reason if you thought this card was not good then say it in a nicer way or don't post and this card is a good idea but with the cards available to us now a days it would be banned the moment it came out but the idea is solid. I personally would change to "Remove from play 2 Level 5 or higher cards from your Graveyard; Draw 2 cards. hope this helped alittle. And i like the pic. [/quote] [quote name='newhat' timestamp='1351153955' post='6053469'] While it's true that the type of Deck that would definitely use this card doesn't care how many Life Points the opponent has and might actually benefit from the opponent having higher Life Points, this card is extremely powerful in normal Decks as well. Why? Let's say, hypothetically, you play 3 on the first turn. You've just given your opponent 12000 Life Points, about enough to stall for 3 turns. In exchange, you now have 9 cards in your hand instead of 6. In those three turns (or even on that first turn), you will be able to completely anihilate your opponent's future, either by wiping their hand, or by putting something ridiculous on the field like Quasar, 5 backrows, or double Shock Master. Barring something like counter-teched Ancient Leaf, your opponent will just run out of cards before you do. [/quote] [quote name='gimmepie' timestamp='1351169565' post='6053514'] As stated this card is ridiculous when you consider Hope for Escape and Simoch. Newhat's suggestion would make this card not only better balanced but it gives it playability in more than just exodia decks. Without those changes I'd say it's about a 2/10 maybe 3 because I have seen things far worse. With those changes it would be about a 6 or 7. [/quote] Made it a bit more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimmepie Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 It wasn't about making it interesting it was about making it playable, and whilst this is certainly more playable it still seems like it is still too much draw power (although now the combo with hope is at least null and void). Even though your opponent gets to draw one card (and plus one more for the secondary effect) you are possibly drawing three for no real cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='gimmepie' timestamp='1351175779' post='6053562'] It wasn't about making it interesting it was about making it playable, and whilst this is certainly more playable it still seems like it is still too much draw power (although now the combo with hope is at least null and void). Even though your opponent gets to draw one card (and plus one more for the secondary effect) you are possibly drawing three for no real cost. [/quote] I think you read the second one wrong. You and your opp. draw 1 for each "Basking" that was played. However, only one of the Baskings trigger. What this means is, if you play 3, you and your opp. will draw 3 rather then drawing 9. Also mind you that your hand size could go over 6 and thus you'd have to discard some of the cards you drew. Also, I had that eff. go off during the End Phase so that you couldn't really take advantage of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimmepie Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I read it correctly... but they you put it seems fairer for some reason. I'm still unsure of it but it is your card anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Still promotes stupid FTKs that let you win before you even enter the End Phase, aka Exodia and some other variants of Spell Counter burn / Magical Explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 This card is badly designed. You get 2 off the top for really nothing, and you may think giving your opponent 1 off the top is a drawback, but it really isn't. It gives the various FTK decks that use Royal Magical Librarian 3 more draw cards, and knocks another card off the opponent's deck in Empty Jar. That End Phase effect makes it even worse. Not only do you get 4-6 cards with the duplicates of this, you get 2-3 more, which lets you get more draws into Exodia, or make the opponent deckout. This is even worse design then [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/One_Day_of_Peace"]One Day of Peace[/url]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='American Machismo!!!!!' timestamp='1351294173' post='6054543'] This card is badly designed. You get 2 off the top for really nothing, and you may think giving your opponent 1 off the top is a drawback, but it really isn't. It gives the various FTK decks that use Royal Magical Librarian 3 more draw cards, and knocks another card off the opponent's deck in Empty Jar. That End Phase effect makes it even worse. Not only do you get 4-6 cards with the duplicates of this, you get 2-3 more, which lets you get more draws into Exodia, or make the opponent deckout. This is even worse design then [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/One_Day_of_Peace"]One Day of Peace[/url]. [/quote] Okay what if it gave you 1 card and your opp. 6? As well as not being able to play any other spells/traps, can't summon, and you take double the battle damage you would take during your opp.s next turn? [spoiler=Hmm] Now if you haven't realized, I'm not being serious with those crazy unplayable conditions. The point is, alot of draw cards can typically be taken advantage of. No matter the conditions either that or they're not played. That's just the way things work any one that duels can tell you this. Am I justifying this card, not really. I am at least trying to make it fair but again draw cards are easy to take advantage of.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shinobi Phoenix Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='American Machismo!!!!!' timestamp='1351294173' post='6054543'] This card is badly designed. You get 2 off the top for really nothing, and you may think giving your opponent 1 off the top is a drawback, but it really isn't. It gives the various FTK decks that use Royal Magical Librarian 3 more draw cards, and knocks another card off the opponent's deck in Empty Jar. That End Phase effect makes it even worse. Not only do you get 4-6 cards with the duplicates of this, you get 2-3 more, which lets you get more draws into Exodia, or make the opponent deckout. This is even worse design then [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/One_Day_of_Peace"]One Day of Peace[/url]. [/quote] If you've ever been exposed to the idiots of Pojo, you know that they all openly hate and reject cards that give cards to your opponent. I've seen some people give the "and then I stopped reading" if a card lets your opponent draw when they read an effect. Some of that attitude spreads like a virus as Pojotards go to other forums and push that attitude (just like the +1/-1 crap). Some people would see that as a big drawback because of that card advantage number crap, but I agree that it isn't necessary a drawback depending on the player's style, the deck strategy and the effect of the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 [quote name='Shinobi Phoenix' timestamp='1351438505' post='6055577'] If you've ever been exposed to the idiots of Pojo, you know that they all openly hate and reject cards that give cards to your opponent. I've seen some people give the "and then I stopped reading" if a card lets your opponent draw when they read an effect. Some of that attitude spreads like a virus as Pojotards go to other forums and push that attitude (just like the +1/-1 crap). Some people would see that as a big drawback because of that card advantage number crap, but I agree that it isn't necessary a drawback depending on the player's style, the deck strategy and the effect of the card. [/quote] Umm............so you didn't really give me feedback on the card..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinobi Phoenix Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 [quote name='♥ D.A._Siegfried ♥' timestamp='1351517800' post='6056320'] Umm............so you didn't really give me feedback on the card..... [/quote] [quote name='Shinobi Phoenix' timestamp='1351438505' post='6055577'] If you've ever been exposed to the idiots of Pojo, you know that they all openly hate and reject cards that give cards to your opponent. I've seen some people give the "and then I stopped reading" if a card lets your opponent draw when they read an effect. Some of that attitude spreads like a virus as Pojotards go to other forums and push that attitude (just like the +1/-1 crap). Some people would see that as a big drawback because of that card advantage number crap, but I agree that it isn't necessary a drawback depending on the player's style, the deck strategy and the effect of the card. [/quote] I responded to someone's else saying your card is crap and defend your card on how it isn't and gave a specific comparison of why they would attack a card like yours (letting your opponent draw is usually a big no and asking to be hated on) and why it's wrong and you're telling me that you don't think I gave you feedback? Really? I suppose now you'll be mad now if I don't comment on the NEW changes (never mind no one - including yourself- has ever commented on any of my cards and hey, I defend your work and I'm the bad guy). All well, when you live in a place where half the people will still vote for Mitt Romney, you come to expect such things. ------------ By your new changes, the card isn't bad but isn't great either. It's just normal to me. [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Car_D"]Card Car D[/url] is [b]FAR AND ABOVE MORE nerfed[/b] than your card (and has similar conditions) and people are still trying to run that into the ground in 3's because that's what they do. So your card is average by comparison as you still get to do stuff when you use it. People would run it the same as they try to run every draw engine. Shoehorned in. Not fantastic, but no draw engine is because if it was, it would be banned. At least Inverz decks have another toy if you proxy duel with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 [quote name='Shinobi Phoenix' timestamp='1351568455' post='6056936'] I responded to someone's else saying your card is crap and and how it isn't and gave a specific comparison of why they would attack a card like yours (letting your opponent draw is usually a big no and asking to be hated on) and why and you're telling me that you don't think I gave you feedback? Really? I suppose now you'll be mad now if I don't comment on the NEW changes (never mind no one - including yourself- has ever commented on any of my cards and hey, I defend your work and I'm the bad guy). All well, when you live in a place where half the people will still vote for Mitt Romney, you come to expect such things. ------------ By your new changes, the card isn't bad but isn't great either. It's just normal to me. Card Car D is FAR AND ABOVE MORE nerfed than your card and people are still trying to run that into the ground in 3's because that's what they do. So your card is average. People would run it the same as they try to run every draw engine. Shoehorned in. At least Inverz decks have another toy if you proxy duel with it. [/quote] Your not the bad guy, I either ignore snappy comments are give my own back at them. Mind you it was nice to defend me but not entirely nessisary. However, in fairness I will thank you. So with that, Thank You Yeah, I figured as much. I mean that was pretty much my whole argument towards Machismo's comment. Thank youfor the feed back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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