Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Basically tried to hit cards based on principle over meta relevance. [b]Listed only, are the changes and only cards that are TCG valid post-Abyss Rising.[/b] [b][spoiler='Forbidden'] [color=#ff8c00]Exodia the Forbidden One Sangan Cannon Soldier Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning Dark Armed Dragon Honest Judgment Dragon Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow Archlord Krystia Infernity Mirage Tour Guide from the Underworld Wind-Up Magician Rescue Rabbit Inzektor Hornet Inzektor Dragonfly Cardcar D Morphing Jar Toon Cannon Soldier Mezuki Elemental HERO Stratos Dandylion Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon Gorz the Emissary of Darkness Master Hyperion Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World Atlantean Seahorseman[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Expressroid[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Royal Firestorm Guards[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Overdrive Teleporter[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Deep Sea Diva[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Temperance of Prophecy[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Moulinglacia the Elemental Lord[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Thunder Seahorse[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Treeborn Frog[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Naturia Pineapple[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Ronintoadin[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]XX-Saber Faultroll[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Ninja Grandmaster Hanzo[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]Monster Reborn Reinforcement of the Army Royal Tribute Final Countdown Pot of Avarice Six Samurai United Black Whirlwind Gateway of the Six Infernity Launcher Wind-Up Factory Madolche Chateau Mind Control Vylon Element Card Destruction Chain Strike[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]Salvage[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]Rekindling[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]Gravekeeper's Steele[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]Fossil Dig[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]System Down[/color][/b] [b][color=#800080]Gladiator Beast Gyzarus[/color] [color=#0000ff]Evigishki Gustkraken[/color] [color=#a9a9a9]T.G. Hyper Librarian Naturia Beast[/color][/b] [b][color=#a9a9a9]Karakuri Steel Shogun mdl00X "Bureido"[/color][/b] [b][color=#A9A9A9]Karakuri Shogun mdl00 "Burei"[/color][/b] [b]Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity Gaia Dragon, the Thunder Charger Hieratic Dragon King of Atum Gear Gigant X [color=#ee82ee]Ultimate Offering[/spoiler][/color] [spoiler='Limited'] [color=#ff8c00]Necro Gardna Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor Gravekeeper's Recruiter Grandsoil the Elemental Lord Justice of Prophecy Marshmallon Tragoedia[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Geargiarmor[/color][/b] [b][color=#FF8C00]Madolche Magileine[/color][/b] [b][color=#a9a9a9]Black Rose Dragon Naturia Barkion Gungnir, Dragon of the Ice Barrier[/color] Madolche Tiaramisu Queen [color=#008000]Messenger of Peace Reasoning Miracle Fusion Overload Fusion[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]Madolche Ticket[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]Evo-Diversity[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]Hieratic Seal of Convocation[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]Spellbook of Secrets[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]E - Emergency Call[/color][/b] [b][color=#ee82ee]Mirror Force Call of the Haunted Gravity Bind Torrential Tribute Magical Cylinder Mind Crush Infernity Barrier Solemn Warning TG1-EM1 Abyssphere[/spoiler][/color] [spoiler='Semi-Limited'] [color=#ff8c00]The Agent of Creation - Venus Black Salvo Blackwing - Blizzard the Far North XX-Saber Darksoul Watthopper T.G. Striker Inzektor Centipede Wind-Up Rat High Priestess of Prophecy Mermail Abysslinde Snoww, Unlight of Dark World[/color][/b] [b][color=#ff8c00]Machina Gearframe[/color][/b] [b][color=#ff8c00]Green Gadget[/color][/b] [b][color=#ff8c00]Yellow Gadget[/color][/b] [b][color=#ff8c00]Red Gadget[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]Swords of Revealing Light Mystical Space Typhoon Book of Moon Necrovalley Level Limit - Area B Advanced Ritual Art Solar Recharge Emergency Teleport[/color][/b] [b][color=#008000]One for One Night Beam[/color][/b] [b][color=#ee82ee]Reckless Greed Skill Drain Macro Cosmos Light-Imprisoning Mirror Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror Royal Decree[/spoiler][/color] [spoiler='Unlimited'] [color=#ff8c00]Gladiator Beast Bestiari Spore Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner[/color] [color=#a9a9a9]Formula Synchron[/color] [color=#008000]Primal Seed Magical Stone Excavation Pot of Duality[/spoiler][/color][/b] [spoiler='Oh, and here's just a list of how many cards any given main booster has on this list:'] LOB: 5 MRD: 8 SRL: 9 PSV: 8 LON: 4 LOD: 6 PGD: 7 MFC: 3 DCR: 4 IOC: 5 AST: 4 SOD: 1 RDS: 0 FET: 1 TLM: 1 CRV: 2 EEN: 1 SOI: 0 EOJ: 2 POTD: 2 CDIP: 0 STON: 2 FOTB: 0 TAEV: 1 GLAS: 5 PTDN: 4 LODT: 7 TDGS: 4 CSOC: 3 CRMS: 4 RGBT: 5 ANPR: 5 SOVR: 2 ABPF: 1 TSHD: 4 DREV: 1 STBL: 3 STOR: 2 EXVC: 4 GENF: 2 PHSW: 1 ORCS: 5 GAOV: 4 REDU: 8 ABYR: 8[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Gonna be a bit blunt here,if you dont like the design of something,doesnt it stay just as badly designed at 1/2/3 if it doesnt self interact like night assailant,just not badly designed as often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1351318936' post='6054782'] Gonna be a bit blunt here,if you dont like the design of something,doesnt it stay just as badly designed at 1/2/3 if it doesnt self interact like night assailant,just not badly designed as often? [/quote]Maybe, but I guess when it came to hitting it too far, maybe I was a bit biased against meta cards. And I could probably go through it again with that line of thinking, but people do get mad when I ban literally everything, so I thought I'd try this first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1351317719' post='6054778'] Forbidden Tour Guide from the Underworld Inzektor Dragonfly Cardcar D Master Hyperion Limited Necro Gardna Deep Sea Diva Solemn Warning Semi-Limited: Mystical Space Typhoon Advanced Ritual Art Charge of the Light Brigade Night Beam Unlimited: Primal Seed [/quote] Only left the stuff that is awful as opposed to the questionable or just stupid stuff TGU @0 with Diva @1 makes no sense. TGU should be @1 because it serves the same basic purpose @1 as Diva does. At least be consistent in what you do Hitting both Dragonfly and Centipede even on principle is ridiculous You seriously want Cardcar @0? Are you that f***ing bad? Cardcar is the same type of card as Duality just one of them should be @2 and one of them @3. Hitting Cardcar is the same mark of a bad banlist as hitting Super Poly Hyperion @0 with Priestess @2 makes no sense Necro Gardna limited makes no sense because its pretty much worthless modern day. A free negate from the grave isnt a problem Warnings perfectly fine @2. Its not game breaking nor a serious issue. Oh no my opponent has 3 Solemns whatever can I do MST and Night Beam @2 with Heavy @1 is a mind boggling concept. If youre working on optimal situations then you should hit heavy. It promotes OTKs far more than either of the others and S/T destruction isnt a problem outside of Heavy Advanced Ritual Art exists only to OTK. Moving it up is asking for more OTKs even if bad ones. Feel similarly on Magic Stones but whatever Charge should never move up even without JD. It thins the deck by 4 and rewards you for running Lightsworns. Damn man this list sucks in the idealist approach you said it was supposed to take Primal @3 shows youre not thinking about how it causes loops in traditional. Itll never come back to 3 even if BLS dies again and it shouldnt This list is really f***ing bad and reeks of butthurt And to think I only covered the awful and inconsistent decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 TGU and diva can both actually be at 0 theory-oh wise with the idea of "free +1 summons from deck should never ever ever be viable" Oh,and y u no ban geargiarmor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 fyi, spellbook tower should only be run at 2 anyway, even with secrets at 2. cause we still have magician and power at 3. thats still 8 searches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopy Star - Eon Sphere Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 I don't understand why Rekindling is only limited. Surely it's more of a problem than many of the banned cards, in that it can be a potential +4? I mostly agree with the rest of the cards in there, but I think its a bit much to ban/limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Unless if I am mistaken, what is the purpose of hitting Justice and Temperance again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Infernity, Madochle, Dark World....... This kills all of them. DO NOT WANT. Also, why Expressroid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 I don't like this at all Tiaramisu? Why? Its like the only good card in a deck full of average s*** and its not even that amazing Gigant? Idk why that can't be @ 1, not that id run more than 1 anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Killing every archtype systematically, boss by boss. Feel this list increases 'slippery slope' aspects of the game. By banning every easily summonable boss that can special summon itself such as Hyperion and JD, as frustrating as they are to be on the recieving end of an opponent topdecking them, and banning cards like Reborn, it all make the chances of a player being able to reverse a detriorating situation go from slim chance to minimal chance, and makes the game even more a case of "best opening hand wins" Totally agree on Exodia and Sam's getting destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1351321648' post='6054795'] TGU and diva can both actually be at 0 theory-oh wise with the idea of "free +1 summons from deck should never ever ever be viable" Oh,and y u no ban geargiarmor? [/quote]I figured people would be mad if I did. Guess it was the opposite. Completely edited the list. Original idea for not banning armor was just that I had already banned Gigant X and wasn't exactly sure if I needed to take out another. [quote name='werewolfjedi' timestamp='1351322425' post='6054800'] fyi, spellbook tower should only be run at 2 anyway, even with secrets at 2. cause we still have magician and power at 3. thats still 8 searches. [/quote]Meh, tower back to 3. [quote name='The Seal of Eon' timestamp='1351338782' post='6054838'] I don't understand why Rekindling is only limited. Surely it's more of a problem than many of the banned cards, in that it can be a potential +4? I mostly agree with the rest of the cards in there, but I think its a bit much to ban/limit. [/quote]Rekindling to 0. And who cares if this is too much, not like it was supposed to be realistic. [quote name='Tentalus Therapist' timestamp='1351340370' post='6054842'] Unless if I am mistaken, what is the purpose of hitting Justice and Temperance again? [/quote]Temperance because I don't like the idea of summoning a boss monster from the Deck. Justice because it's a +1 search for a boss monster while fulfilling its summoning conditions, meaning I should probably already have it at 0. [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1351346059' post='6054883'] Infernity, Madochle, Dark World....... This kills all of them. DO NOT WANT. Also, why Expressroid? [/quote]Oh no, I banned broken pieces of s*** and killed decks based around broken pieces of s***. Expressroid, because it's a walking Salvage. [quote name='Thunder Spark' timestamp='1351347801' post='6054896'] I don't like this at all Tiaramisu? Why? Its like the only good card in a deck full of average s*** and its not even that amazing Gigant? Idk why that can't be @ 1, not that id run more than 1 anyway [/quote]Tiaramisu because it's a +1 destruction effect. Except it doesn't actually destroy so destruction negation does nothing for you. Gigant is a walking double ROTA for Machines that has more effects. [quote name='Majestic Star Bahamut' timestamp='1351348783' post='6054902'] Killing every archtype systematically, boss by boss. Feel this list increases 'slippery slope' aspects of the game. By banning every easily summonable boss that can special summon itself such as Hyperion and JD, as frustrating as they are to be on the recieving end of an opponent topdecking them, and banning cards like Reborn, it all make the chances of a player being able to reverse a detriorating situation go from slim chance to minimal chance, and makes the game even more a case of "best opening hand wins" Totally agree on Exodia and Sam's getting destroyed. [/quote]I don't feel like a format with this list would have that kind of slippery slope feel, but I can understand where the idea comes from. Still, there hasn't been anyone who's played it yet, so until then, we don't really know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1351320071' post='6054787'] Hyperion @0 with Priestess @2 makes no sense [/quote] The thing is, though...Hyperion needs to be banned. It's just way too easy to topdeck and can turn the game around in a split second. And yes on Temperance being banned because mostly everyone here hates the +1 Mechanic of Special Summoning from the Deck. And also, Junon is broken as f***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderVolt Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Hmm, i wonder if i edit my newer magical build just slightly, how it would fare here. It doesnt run junon in the first place so, O,o That and my 2 of my favorite decks arent even affected. At all. Seems intresting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Does nobody like Glads? 3 Bestiari and Unlimited Gyzarus seems...mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Are you serious? You put Magileine on the banned list but you didn't even touch gadgets? I mean to begin with, you'v got U. Offering already on the banned list which in of it self kills some of the play-ability. I mean, if your going to ban her, you might as well ban all the gadgets too. Both of which supply mass hand advantage and set ups. -Just shakes head- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='newhat' timestamp='1351359744' post='6054991'] Does nobody like Glads? 3 Bestiari and Unlimited Gyzarus seems...mean. [/quote]What unlimited Gyzarus? [quote name='♥ D.A._Siegfried ♥' timestamp='1351360842' post='6055005'] Are you serious? You put Magileine on the banned list but you didn't even touch gadgets? I mean to begin with, you'v got U. Offering already on the banned list which in of it self kills some of the play-ability. I mean, if your going to ban her, you might as well ban all the gadgets too. Both of which supply mass hand advantage and set ups. -Just shakes head- [/quote]Mageliene not only Stratos's, but it also recycles itself. I may consider limiting all the gadgets. But then again, the Gadgets each only have one single target, whereas Magileine has itself and every Madolche monster, so I may stick with a Semi like I've done with a lot of searchers on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Exa Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Put the Exodia pieces except the head to unlimited since they're pretty much useless now when you've banned the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Actually, I take back my previous statement about Hyperion. Having it @3 is a major concern because of topdecking and how easy it is to get out, but it practically isn't invincible. Neglecting the miniscule cost and ridiculous effect, I still think it can squeeze by at just 1. But @3, it's a problem. If it's @0 though, Agents practically lose a boss, which isn't a big deal considering they run 1754758493 bosses, but still... /bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='exaenae' timestamp='1351364530' post='6055044'] Put the Exodia pieces except the head to unlimited since they're pretty much useless now when you've banned the head. [/quote]I [i]could [/i]do that. [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1351364952' post='6055050'] /bias. [/quote]Less bias than most of these responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='exaenae' timestamp='1351364530' post='6055044'] Put the Exodia pieces except the head to unlimited since they're pretty much useless now when you've banned the head. [/quote] Traditional still exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 So you're banning every card that gives advantage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 I'd only run 1 of each and just fill the rest of the deck with draw cards,so i dont get awkward hands of right hand/right hand/left leg/left leg or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='EmpoleMew' timestamp='1351367027' post='6055076'] Traditional still exists. [/quote]No one cares about Traditional. [quote name='Kabbles' timestamp='1351367411' post='6055079'] So you're banning every card that gives advantage? [/quote]No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1351367587' post='6055081'] No one cares about Traditional. No. [/quote] So why did you ban stuff like Stele? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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