ihop Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 If you don't play 3 Grandsoil you'll never be able to FTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Eh, combo looks too risky to pay dividends. The rule of thumb about FTKs is that if they work less than 50+% of the time, they aren't worth playing competitively (even 50% is big push for me). That doesn't change the satisfaction quotient derived from pulling one off, granted, but looking at something like this, it doesn't leave me fearful. I'd be a damn sight more scared of pure Wind-Ups. EDIT: It is a three card FTK as Wind-Ups will already be running Shark and Magician at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354312743' post='6081850'] If you don't play 3 Grandsoil you'll never be able to FTK. [/quote] Sure ya will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='Meta~' timestamp='1354313878' post='6081870'] Sure ya will. [/quote] Magician + Shark isn't that common anyway, that's like saying you'll FTK every time you draw Magician + Shark + Reborn which is rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 are you kidding? everyone runs magician at the very least and good wind up players run shark because it can be used for all of their xyz monsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 [quote name='clairedestroyer' timestamp='1354343447' post='6082177'] are you kidding? everyone runs magician at the very least and good wind up players run shark because it can be used for all of their xyz monsters [/quote] This feels like a Captain Obvious statement. But I'm not sure...it's 7 in the morning over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 [quote name='clairedestroyer' timestamp='1354343447' post='6082177'] are you kidding? everyone runs magician at the very least and good wind up players run shark because it can be used for all of their xyz monsters [/quote] I mean drawing Magician + Shark isn't common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 No, but getting them both is easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 But then it's not an FTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Even if you don't get them, at nearly any point if you have Grand, Shark, and Magician in hand = OTK. If you open them up first turn or use cards to draw them during your first turn without so much as using cards like Pot of Duality, One Day Peace, and Cardcar D, you'll be fine. You could still run these said cards for stall though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Yes but at nearly any point if you have Magican, Shark in hand = OTK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Hence forth, Grand isn't necessary, but it's another alternative to win, say for example, if you can't run over any of your opponent's monsters even after using Adreus or other problem solving Xyzs/Synchros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 I don't want to play 3-5 bad cards just for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 2 bad cards. 1 Grandsoil isn't really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 grandsoil isnt bad by any means??????? none of the cards used are really incredibly bad on their own and together can be much more powerful than just shark+magician on their own. like what the hellck (hell+heck) dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 These Elemental Lords seem really situational. What are the odds of getting one out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 In wind ups: Rat, Rabbit and Warrior are EARTH. Rock Stun has the Koa'ki trio + Block Golem for Grave and field manipulation Similar Set-up to DAD, so it's not that hard to pull out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1354392485' post='6082499'] These Elemental Lords seem really situational. What are the odds of getting one out? [/quote]Very. Very. High. Moulinglacia -> Mermails/Atlanteans Pyrorex -> Molten Conduction gets it setup in 1 card Grandsoil -> Takes a little bit of work, but banipsychics get it pretty damn fast. They're as situational as Dark Armed Dragon was when it was at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Grandsoil is a little dead normally. Amazon archer and Mist Valley thing are trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354392779' post='6082503'] Very. Very. High. Moulinglacia -> Mermails/Atlanteans Pyrorex -> Molten Conduction gets it setup in 1 card Grandsoil -> Takes a little bit of work, but banipsychics get it pretty damn fast. They're as situational as Dark Armed Dragon was when it was at 3. [/quote] sending monsters to the grave is always pretty easy. this card isnt hard to get out by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 I forgot you have to play Warrior as well, which you don't really want to play either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 [quote name='clairedestroyer' timestamp='1354393057' post='6082509'] sending monsters to the grave is always pretty easy. this card isnt hard to get out by any means. [/quote]Why are you quoting me? I was the one explaining how easy it is to get them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354393325' post='6082517'] Why are you quoting me? I was the one explaining how easy it is to get them out. [/quote] oh. i forgot a line. i meant to add "if youre desperate, you can even use stuff like foolish burial and rock bombardment." my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354387092' post='6082407'] I mean drawing Magician + Shark isn't common. [/quote] Then the Wind-Up players you see suck at stacking. [quote name='clairedestroyer' timestamp='1354392231' post='6082492'] grandsoil isnt bad by any means??????? none of the cards used are really incredibly bad on their own and together can be much more powerful than just shark+magician on their own. like what the hellck (hell+heck) dude? [/quote] Grandsoil might not be bad but he is completely overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 [quote name='clairedestroyer' timestamp='1354392231' post='6082492'] grandsoil isnt bad by any means??????? [/quote] We're not saying Grandsoil is bad. We're simply saying Grandsoil is bad in this particular playstyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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