Guest Caeda Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Honestly, I think that no matter who the mod is, there should be more threads like this in RC. If we discuss the issues as we have been, surely we can think of ways to help improve the section as a group. It's not like we all haven't had legitimate ideas here, and shutting out everyone who didn't make it to being a mod would be fairly silly. We can surely do something to help boost the section, it's not like we don't have the ideas at this point, we just need to implement them as best as we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest - Neo - Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I think the thing is, until someone has a position of power in which to promote this stuff (keeping in mind that a generic thread in RC will most likely get ignored and pushed to the second page within hours), it's going to be difficult to really get people to notice and for these things to take effect. Mikhail has done an absolutely fantastic job as CC Mod, much better than any before him in my personal opinion, and I'm actually interested to see how well the election works out. It could be frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caeda Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I think the thing is, until someone has a position of power in which to promote this stuff (keeping in mind that a generic thread in RC will most likely get ignored and pushed to the second page within hours), it's going to be difficult to really get people to notice and for these things to take effect. Mikhail has done an absolutely fantastic job as CC Mod, much better than any before him in my personal opinion, and I'm actually interested to see how well the election works out. It could be frightening. I know, and it's disappointing. We could always take to PM's to plan some of this stuff, due to the "new" 75 member PM limit, but could seal some people out. Once we get things planned in the PM, would could move into the forum, but in the end, it's not a perfect solution, since most things aren't. I'm interested as well! I know I don't have a chance, so I haven't decided on who I would vote for in all honesty. Either way, I just hope RC gets someone who cares about the section, not the power. x-x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 They could care for the section with all their heart, but they'd still have to be competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest - Neo - Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I know, and it's disappointing. We could always take to PM's to plan some of this stuff, due to the "new" 75 member PM limit, but could seal some people out. Once we get things planned in the PM, would could move into the forum, but in the end, it's not a perfect solution, since most things aren't. I'm interested as well! I know I don't have a chance, so I haven't decided on who I would vote for in all honesty. Either way, I just hope RC gets someone who cares about the section, not the power. x-x Don't be so hard on yourself; you seem like a great candidate for the position, as do a lot of others who have applied. The election part of this is what makes it somewhat cool because we all have a chance to sort of explain ourselves and see what the members want. As long as it's not a popularity contest I think this might be the best way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest みゆきサン Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I'm interested as well! I know I don't have a chance, so I haven't decided on who I would vote for in all honesty. Either way, I just hope RC gets someone who cares about the section, not the power. x-x Unfortunately, I must disagree with this point. Having too much of both is a bad thing. A good Moderator needs a balance of power and care for the section he/she is assigned with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest - Neo - Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Unfortunately, I must disagree with this point. Having too much of both is a bad thing. A good Moderator needs a balance of power and care for the section he/she is assigned with. Think about it though - Mikhail isn't leaving, he's bringing someone on board to help with things. He's still going to have the most say in the section, especially if my suggestion of a "Trial Run" is implemented and it's not just a permanent position. With that being said, care for the section is key here in regards to this discussion because whoever it is actually needs to give a s*** about the section to boost activity and make RC relevant again. Right now it's far from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. A. Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Don't be so hard on yourself; you seem like a great candidate for the position, as do a lot of others who have applied. The election part of this is what makes it somewhat cool because we all have a chance to sort of explain ourselves and see what the members want. As long as it's not a popularity contest I think this might be the best way to go.You I have high expectations as well.Also Dante, I agree, just like YGO cards a moderator must have balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caeda Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Don't be so hard on yourself; you seem like a great candidate for the position, as do a lot of others who have applied. The election part of this is what makes it somewhat cool because we all have a chance to sort of explain ourselves and see what the members want. As long as it's not a popularity contest I think this might be the best way to go. Well, I probably wouldn't be. ^^'' Many others have so many more qualifications then I do, and it just kinda gets silly to think I have a chance. I can't wait to hear some the arguments used around here, it seems like it'll be some intense stuff going on... If we can avoid popularity contest mode. @japanese letters: Yes, both is important, but right now we need someone who cares about the section. Besides, the power shouldn't be the main draw for the position in general, and I'm sure for someone here it is. That is the kinda of thing I feel should be avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. A. Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Well, I probably wouldn't be. ^^'' Many others have so many more qualifications then I do, and it just kinda gets silly to think I have a chance. I can't wait to hear some the arguments used around here, it seems like it'll be some intense stuff going on... If we can avoid popularity contest mode. @japanese letters: Yes, both is important, but right now we need someone who cares about the section. Besides, the power shouldn't be the main draw for the position in general, and I'm sure for someone here it is. That is the kinda of thing I feel should be avoided.Yours is at least unknown, I know for a FACT I won't make it. However I will push to get elected regardless. So whenever you feel like beating yourself down remember "At least I am not Mr. A." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 There are some people I've seen apply in this thread (I won't name names) that I think would be terrible choices based on other displays of behavior and arroganceNot sure if talking about me... Honestly, I think that no matter who the mod is, there should be more threads like this in RC. If we discuss the issues as we have been, surely we can think of ways to help improve the section as a group. It's not like we all haven't had legitimate ideas here, and shutting out everyone who didn't make it to being a mod would be fairly silly. We can surely do something to help boost the section, it's not like we don't have the ideas at this point, we just need to implement them as best as we can.This is important, yes. Everyone must realize that the revival of RC cannot be done simply by the work of a single mod, and that this is a forum, made up of many members, and it will take the work of said members to help it improve. (keeping in mind that a generic thread in RC will most likely get ignored and pushed to the second page within hours)Well, a mod can stickie such a thread if they so choose. They could care for the section with all their heart, but they'd still have to be competent.And there's the most important trait for the new mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest みゆきサン Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 @japanese letters: Yes, both is important, but right now we need someone who cares about the section. Besides, the power shouldn't be the main draw for the position in general, and I'm sure for someone here it is. That is the kinda of thing I feel should be avoided. I swear, I am never doing Japanese names again. Dante, forever until my next name change. :\ Maybe you are right about caring. But when I think about "caring for a section", I tend to think "leniency". When a Moderator is too "caring", they aren't doing their job. It may be a different viewpoint, but that's how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caeda Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I swear, I am never doing Japanese names again. Dante, forever until my next name change. :\ Maybe you are right about caring. But when I think about "caring for a section", I tend to think "leniency". When a Moderator is too "caring", they aren't doing their job. It may be a different viewpoint, but that's how I see it. ... xD Well, I see that more as an extremist view. Just because someone cares about the section doesn't mean they won't do their job. If they TRULY care about the section and what's good for it, then they should do MORE for it. Although, I can't say you might not be right. We won't know until it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Caring can take different roads of thought, leniency is indeed one. But there is also hyper obsessiveness, such as, I believe what Umbra did in the RP section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest - Neo - Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Not sure if talking about me... Not you. But I'm not going to name names or anything like that, it's disrespectful. I was just making a point, there are definitely some people that I think (and this is just my opinion so it's pretty much irrelevant) would be doing it just for the power. Well, I probably wouldn't be. ^^'' Many others have so many more qualifications then I do, and it just kinda gets silly to think I have a chance. I can't wait to hear some the arguments used around here, it seems like it'll be some intense stuff going on... If we can avoid popularity contest mode. @japanese letters: Yes, both is important, but right now we need someone who cares about the section. Besides, the power shouldn't be the main draw for the position in general, and I'm sure for someone here it is. That is the kinda of thing I feel should be avoided. For the record, and I don't really care saying this because you're by far the most ideal (I mean I'd like to say my own ideas are good but I'm not going to do so at the risk of sounding conceited) and as long as no new person submits some kind of incredible application, you've already got my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Knowing what the rules are and how to enforce them, and then acting upon those thoughts, even if extremely strict, doesn't really show that they care about the section. I mean, there's a lot more that goes into it than that. You can be lenient and care about the section a lot. And you can be strict and care about the section a lot. You can be either and not care as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest - Neo - Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Knowing what the rules are and how to enforce them, and then acting upon those thoughts, even if extremely strict, doesn't really show that they care about the section. I mean, there's a lot more that goes into it than that. You can be lenient and care about the section a lot. And you can be strict and care about the section a lot. You can be both and not care as well. Agreed with this as well. When it all comes down to it, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the purpose of this site is for fun. People join the site to create cards and talk about those cards, write Fan-Fiction (ohai Agro), discuss TCG, all sorts of things. The rules should be guidelines to make sure things are safe and don't get out of hand, they should never be a scenario in which people can't have fun. I feel like there are definitely some people who would be so strict with rules and reviews and such that it would become more of a chore to comment and create cards than it would be a fun and creative thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caeda Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Agreed with this as well. When it all comes down to it, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the purpose of this site is for fun. People join the site to create cards and talk about those cards, write Fan-Fiction (ohai Agro), discuss TCG, all sorts of things. The rules should be guidelines to make sure things are safe and don't get out of hand, they should never be a scenario in which people can't have fun. I feel like there are definitely some people who would be so strict with rules and reviews and such that it would become more of a chore to comment and create cards than it would be a fun and creative thing to do. Agreed. With you and Agro. I hate to say it, but this is kinda how I felt when JoshIcy moderated the section, and he's kinda the reason I stayed away from it for so long. It felt cold and hostile, no pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. A. Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 And you can be strict and care about the section a lot.This is my road. I just believe the forum needs more discipline in some places, and less discipline in others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nathanael Darius Striker Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 JoshIcy liked to control CC with somewhat of an ironfist. I consider this place my creative outlet. While we should try to improve the quality of CC, we must still be accepting to the creativity that makes this section great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I'd say we could basically shorten all ideas we have to do one of three things (or multiples of the such) List of goals for a future mod:1. Make the section fun and entertaining to take part in.2. Make the section intelligent3. Make the section active (and attractive for members to come to) Anyone want to argue? -.- I could be missing something. In either case, this is why I'm arguing against the advance clause and feel we should have a better system, or at least an edited one. It makes comments more intellectual, yeah, I guess, but it also makes the section exceedingly unattractive for a lot of members. If we can figure out a way to make it intelligent, without it affecting the attractiveness of the section- in other words, not making it a pain to comment and critique- then we have a plan. Honestly speaking, if we get 1 & 2 down, we can assuredly get 3 with it. Or vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest - Neo - Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Agreed. With you and Agro. I hate to say it, but this is kinda how I felt when JoshIcy moderated the section, and he's kinda the reason I stayed away from it for so long. It felt cold and hostile, no pun intended. 150% agreed. I did not like the way Icy moderated at all and I think making things personal as he did was a terrible way to run things. Prime example of a power trip. Agreed. With you and Agro. I hate to say it, but this is kinda how I felt when JoshIcy moderated the section, and he's kinda the reason I stayed away from it for so long. It felt cold and hostile, no pun intended. 150% agreed. I did not like the way Icy moderated at all and I think making things personal as he did was a terrible way to run things. Prime example of a power trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caeda Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 150% agreed. I did not like the way Icy moderated at all and I think making things personal as he did was a terrible way to run things. Prime example of a power trip. It makes me so happy to know I'm not alone on that. Everything was so personal with him, and it just felt way too restrictive here. I thought I might have been the only one who thought that, I rarely hear anything negative about Icy. x-x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 It makes me so happy to know I'm not alone on that. Everything was so personal with him, and it just felt way too restrictive here. I thought I might have been the only one who thought that, I rarely hear anything negative about Icy. x-xI can't really say anything for or against him since I hadn't been here prior to his taking over. What I can say is that I got in arguments over how to teach people how to make better cards. A LOT. His main argument always seemed to devolve into "Who are you to say what makes good card design?" So it always ended like that and now I have a half-completed guide to Official Card Grammar. I should really finish that, it would at least help to make all of the cards in any of the CC sections be legible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I suppose I'll post my application here for everyone to take a gander at until the new thread is posted. ...if I can get the spoiler to work. <_< [spoiler=Meh]Name: Dwarven King (Brian in real life)Estimated Activity in CC (in months): I rarely post in this section, but I have always looked into the section at least once every time I sign in since the day I joined. ^^Plan of action/Policies for CC: Action - To promote more member friendly activities, such as contests with more creative prizes and a chance for members to get better at their card making skills. Policies - Treat every member equally. If two people commit the same "crime", then both will receive the same punishment. I will not play "favorites" or be biased. You do the crime, you do the time. All rules WILL be enforced. Why do you think you should moderate CC?: Every forum needs a Dwarf as a Moderator! ;D In all seriousness, I like to view myself as someone who can keep his cool when need be and judge things fairly. Other than that, I really don't know what else do add. Most people on this forum as seen me at least once or twice, so hopefully everyone already knows how I am. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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