Sora1499 Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 I love dem Gachi alternatives! Here's another: [URL=http://yugico.com/user/31887-sora1299/card/28953-Xyz_Swarm/114524-Kookoo_Cuckoo][IMG]http://yugico.com/customcard/114524.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Before you say, "It's toilet paper!", observe this combo: 1. Have diva and atlantean marksman in hand, opponent has random big monster 2. Use Diva, grab havy infantry. 3. Heavy infantry effect, summon marksman 4. Make this with diva and heavy infantry 5. Use the effect on marksman 6. Get 2700 damage from the two direct attacks 7. Marksman effect -> Atlantean Pointman 8. Have 2200 beater, dish out more damage if possible 9. MP 2, make zenmaines or Number 17. 2700+ damage combo that guarantees a +1 and either a beatstick or a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Buuuuuuuuump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebat DZ Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think daigusto phoenix is a much more fair version of this card. This card can pretty much make Venus attack directly, under a gachi, that's 4k dmg directly!!! Put a more specific restriction like with 1000 atk or less, something like that. The way it stands right now is too busted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I'd rather make either Phoenix or Gachi over this, and Catastor/Gungnir if I do open Diva and Marskman. It's not a particulary bad card but it's outclassed, I'd either give it like 1900 ATK or just give up because the rank 2 is saturated anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 One guy says it's busted, the other says it's outclassed... What to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I agree that it is outclassed. Onewhosetmalicious's argument isn't really a point because with Venus, if you make Gachi you can't make this as Mystic Shine Ball would be a) still attached to Gachi in the Graveyard, thus inaccessible. And if you do happen to somehow get this, it's not much of an argument, cuz you can just equip a whole sh*t load of Equip Spells to make something have like 5000 ATK, but the chances of getting any of that, whilst your opponent has no response, is low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebat DZ Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 [quote name='AixDivadis' timestamp='1355775077' post='6095987'] I agree that it is outclassed. Onewhosetmalicious's argument isn't really a point because with Venus, if you make Gachi you can't make this as Mystic Shine Ball would be a) still attached to Gachi in the Graveyard, thus inaccessible. And if you do happen to somehow get this, it's not much of an argument, cuz you can just equip a whole sh*t load of Equip Spells to make something have like 5000 ATK, but the chances of getting any of that, whilst your opponent has no response, is low. [/quote] Venus would still do 3200 directly under this. I mean even the combo with marksman in the OP is super busted. On a clear field you can go diva into infantry into marksman, make cookoo attack twice with marksman, activates TWO times, bring two dragoons, thats 2800 from marksman, 1300 from cookoo and 3600 from the dragoons. That's 7700 DMG!!!!!! That's almost an OTK with TWO cards in hand!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 [quote name='Onewhosetmalicious' timestamp='1355775546' post='6095993'] Venus would still do 3200 directly under this. [/quote] No, my argument is: How the heck do you get both this and Venus on the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebat DZ Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 [quote name='AixDivadis' timestamp='1355775929' post='6096003'] No, my argument is: How the heck do you get both this and Venus on the field? [/quote] You also agreed it was outclassed, I agree it wouldnt be possible so I dismissed that without any.need of an argument. Check my edit though so you can see why its busted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 [quote name='Onewhosetmalicious' timestamp='1355775546' post='6095993'] Venus would still do 3200 directly under this. I mean even the combo with marksman in the OP is super busted. On a clear field you can go diva into infantry into marksman, make cookoo attack twice with marksman, activates TWO times, bring two dragoons, thats 2800 from marksman, 1300 from cookoo and 3600 from the dragoons. That's 7700 DMG!!!!!! That's almost an OTK with TWO cards in hand!!!! [/quote] How does Marksman attack twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I think the onewhosetmalicious guy is under the impression that either the xyz or the monster it targets can attack twice... Neither can. Just to clear that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebat DZ Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1355778322' post='6096051'] I think the onewhosetmalicious guy is under the impression that either the xyz or the monster it targets can attack twice... Neither can. Just to clear that up. [/quote] My god I'm sorry. I swear I saw the word twice there for the longest time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 [quote name='Onewhosetmalicious' timestamp='1355782365' post='6096144'] My god I'm sorry. I swear I saw the word twice there for the longest time. [/quote] It's ok. I wouldn't make something THAT borked, lol. What do you think of the card now that you know it's real effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebat DZ Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1355782903' post='6096154'] It's ok. I wouldn't make something THAT borked, lol. What do you think of the card now that you know it's real effect? [/quote] Much fairer than what I initially thought. Good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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