IRL Standard Golgari Aggro

[DeathSDelano]

[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)]Land 21[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BOvergrown%5D+%5BTomb%5D"]Overgrown Tomb[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x2 [Don't tell me to get more because well I doubt I will get lucky enough to get more atm][/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BGolgari%5D+%5BGuildgate%5D"]Golgari Guildgate[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x1[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BForest%5D"]Forest[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x9[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BSwamp%5D"]Swamp[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x9[/background][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)]Creatures 28[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BJarad,%5D+%5BGolgari%5D+%5BLich%5D+%5BLord%5D"]Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x1[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BDeadbridge%5D+%5BGoliath%5D"]Deadbridge Goliath[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x2[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BVampire%5D+%5BNighthawk%5D"]Vampire Nighthawk[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x2 [have 2 more but felt like I didn't need to run 4][/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BDreg%5D+%5BMangler%5D"]Dreg Mangler[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x4[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BKnight%5D+%5Bof%5D+%5BInfamy%5D"]Knight of Infamy[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x4[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BLotleth%5D+%5BTroll%5D"]Lotleth Troll[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x3[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BStrangleroot%5D+%5BGeist%5D"]Strangleroot Geist[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x4[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BSlitherhead%5D"]Slitherhead[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x4[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BArbor%5D+%5BElf%5D+%5Bc%5D+%5Bx4%5D"]Arbor Elf x4[/url][/background][/font][/color]





[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BInstants%5D+%5B9%5D"]Instants 9[/url][/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BGolgari%5D+%5BCharm%5D&set=%5B%22c%22%5D"]Golgari Charm[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x4[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BAbrupt%5D+%5BDecay%5D"]Abrupt Decay[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x1 [only got 1 and same as overgrown tomb probably will not be able to get more unless i get lucky][/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BTragic%5D+%5BSlip%5D"]Tragic Slip[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x4[/background][/font][/color]


[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)]Sorcery 2[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BFarseek%5D"]Farseek[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x2 [have more but didn't feel like I needed to run more then 2][/background][/font][/color]


[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)]Sideboard 15[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BAcidic%5D+%5BSlime%5D"]Acidic Slime[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x2 [/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BSundering%5D+%5BGrowth%5D"]Sundering Growth[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x1[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BVictim%5D+%5Bof%5D+%5BNight%5D"]Victim of Night[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x4[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BVile%5D+%5BRebirth%5D"]Vile Rebirth[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x3[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BDuress%5D"]Duress[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x3[/background][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)][url="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5BGhost%5D+%5BQuarter%5D"]Ghost Quarter[/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)] x2 [/background][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)]and for an extra note: All cards in were all gotten off my friends, pulls, and buying from local card shop[which did not have some of the cards I wanted but I will have to live with it]. I do not buy cards online and I don't want to .-.[/background][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=arial][background=rgb(241, 241, 241)]Also victim is not mained because I play against vampire and Zombies regularly[/background][/font][/color]
What I normally have to play against:
Naya midrange[more white heavy]
BR Vampire
Mono-black midrange [gravecrawlers, messengers etc]
Grixis control/Reanimator[same person]
Mono-white budget build
Seleysna decks[lend more towards aggro]
Rakdos deck
U/W spirits / Mono-red aggro[same person]
U/B mill-control thing[its poorly designed, but we have been helping make it better]

[Simping For Hina]

Run atleast 24 lands. Add 1 Golgari Guildgate, maybe Evolving Wilds
Mainboard an Ultimate Price over Tragic Slip


This is how I would run Golgari, if you're on a budget or whatever.

4 Lotleth Troll
4 Strangleroot Giest
3 Dreg Mangler
3 Knight of Infamy
3 Wolfir Avenger
3 Wolfir Silverheart
2 Ulvenward Tracker
2 Dryad Militant

4 Rancor
4 Ultimate Price
2 Grisly Salvage
2 Golgari Charm

4 Golgari Guildgate
2 Evolving Wilds
9 Swamps
9 Forests

Sideboard:
3 Vampire Nighthawk
3 Mayor of Avabruck
2 Plummet
2 Sever the Bloodline
2 Duress
2 Appetite for Brains
1 Ulvenwald Tracker

[DeathSDelano]

Why would I use 4 guildgates when I have 2 Overgrown tombs?

Also evolving wilds is too slow .-.

And I run 21 BECAUSE when I ran 24 lands I get mana flooded -.- I'm serious I always get mana flooded

and I don't even some of the cards you listed .-. and have no way to get my hands on them. I will try to get ultimate price when I get some money.

and TBH your build doesn't really match the way I like to play, but thats just me .-.

[Simping For Hina]

Just building a deck based on a budget.
Evolving Wilds is the same speed as a Guildgate.
Even if you get manaflooded, 21 lands is just too low.
Best way to not get mana flooded is to put the cards into your deck in a different order then stack shuffle from the bottom to the top.

[DeathSDelano]

[quote name='Vivacious Skyfall' timestamp='1355548441' post='6093619']
Just building a deck based on a budget.
Evolving Wilds is the same speed as a Guildgate.
Even if you get manaflooded, 21 lands is just too low.
Best way to not get mana flooded is to put the cards into your deck in a different order then stack shuffle from the bottom to the top.
[/quote]

you would be surpised; I have no trouble running 21 lands .-. this is from my experience. For me 21 land is working better then 24 land or for this deck anyways.
and I only have 1 Guildgate not 4 in the deck which I've been debating on just taking out and putting in another forest/swamp.

And I do that still get mana flooded .-.

[Simping For Hina]

[quote name='DeathSDelano' timestamp='1355549436' post='6093627']
you would be surpised; I have no trouble running 21 lands .-. this is from my experience. For me 21 land is working better then 24 land or for this deck anyways.
and I only have 1 Guildgate not 4 in the deck which I've been debating on just taking out and putting in another forest/swamp.

And I do that still get mana flooded .-.
[/quote]
Just from experience, I never run any less than 22 lands.
It was only for consistency and they plausibility to have more than a few chances to have a nice mana base, even one that is slow.
Then, you must try to not if anything is going to work!

[DeathSDelano]

[quote name='Vivacious Skyfall' timestamp='1355549689' post='6093629']
Just from experience, I never run any less than 22 lands.
It was only for consistency and they plausibility to have more than a few chances to have a nice mana base, even one that is slow.
Then, you must try to not if anything is going to work!
[/quote]

I honestly never have trouble getting my mana base set, and land count is personal decision .-. I edit after I play a few games see the deck is having problems with and work from there. As far as mana goes I have no trouble getting it [mana is attracted to me for some reason].

[Cray-Crow]

do u have any increasing savagery or treasured find? my friend runs a golgari and those two are amazing in it.

Hi, I'm a LolzandTrollz (what we call Lotleth Troll). Now I'm a 7/6 (or 12/11 being flashbacked) with trample and regen!!!!!!

just remembered. corpse jack menace as well. doubles the counters.

[DeathSDelano]

[quote name='salseethrough' timestamp='1355661388' post='6094830']
do u have any increasing savagery or treasured find? my friend runs a golgari and those two are amazing in it.

Hi, I'm a LolzandTrollz (what we call Lotleth Troll). Now I'm a 7/6 (or 12/11 being flashbacked) with trample and regen!!!!!!

just remembered. corpse jack menace as well. doubles the counters.
[/quote]

yes I have all 3 of those cards, my original build used Corpse Jack and Treasured Find just not increasing Savagery[I Have 2 copies of all 3 of those cards].

[Cray-Crow]

why'd you decide to take them out?

try fitting in at least 2 of each of those three cards. corpse jack stressing the opponent on targeting him for his ability. increasing savagery is an awesome late game comeback for a huge beater. and treasured find because treasured find. that card's amazing.

I agree with Skyfall. Rancor's a good addition as well as Sever the Bloodline (being mained imo). Got any desecration demons???

[DeathSDelano]

[quote name='salseethrough' timestamp='1355680822' post='6095026']
why'd you decide to take them out?

try fitting in at least 2 of each of those three cards. corpse jack stressing the opponent on targeting him for his ability. increasing savagery is an awesome late game comeback for a huge beater. and treasured find because treasured find. that card's amazing.

I agree with Skyfall. Rancor's a good addition as well as Sever the Bloodline (being mained imo). Got any desecration demons???
[/quote]
I took them out because I'm trying out a new formula for the deck
I have no rancors, sever the bloodline, or Desecration demon.

[Cray-Crow]

Hm. Alright. What's the wind condition you have in mind? It's hard for me to see Golgari other then +1/+1 counter production or Saproling production and/or sacrificing.

[DeathSDelano]

[quote name='salseethrough' timestamp='1355682051' post='6095042']
Hm. Alright. What's the wind condition you have in mind? It's hard for me to see Golgari other then +1/+1 counter production or Saproling production and/or sacrificing.
[/quote]

Swarm the field, punch holes though there defenses using Dreg mangler and Strangleroot's haste, with Goliath acting as the Tank to run through[as if I get an arbor elf and met my land drops I can get Goliath on the field turn 3]. Slitherhead discard fodder or chump blocker

Jarad as a Late Game finisher or midgame swinger/monster launcher. Lotleth troll as a growing force to be reckoning with. Nighthawk to fly over there ground units/intercept their flyers, and Knight of Infamy to smash through White Deck's defenses.

Slip combos effectively with Golgari Charm to take out my opponent's mana producers[at worse 1 of mine/or slitherhead + 1 or 2 of theirs] then slip there large creatures. Of course I also use Charm to protect my army of creatures when needed.

More or less, I see my creatures as valuable soldiers for war with Jarad as the General[Not EDH General]

[Cray-Crow]

hows your creature death rate? cuz if ts pretty high (due to running a heavy creature deck such as yours), you could substitute or put in some lumberknots or a ghoultree. ghoultree is huge with a reducing mana cost. but lumberknot (whose way better imo) can be so frikkin scary. getting bigger and bigger with EACH creature death and naturally having hexproof. those two can give you some bigger (maybe better) tanks and monster fodder for Jarad.

Yeah. Most ppl don't know just how good Tragic Slip is. Keep them in. The charms as well.

If you're going for the swarm, do you have Grave Betrayal? Its a nasty card that I think would really compliment this deck's style and i read your earlier convo about you easily getting mana.

[DeathSDelano]

[quote name='salseethrough' timestamp='1355694309' post='6095215']
hows your creature death rate? cuz if ts pretty high (due to running a heavy creature deck such as yours), you could substitute or put in some lumberknots or a ghoultree. ghoultree is huge with a reducing mana cost. but lumberknot (whose way better imo) can be so frikkin scary. getting bigger and bigger with EACH creature death and naturally having hexproof. those two can give you some bigger (maybe better) tanks and monster fodder for Jarad.

Yeah. Most ppl don't know just how good Tragic Slip is. Keep them in. The charms as well.

If you're going for the swarm, do you have Grave Betrayal? Its a nasty card that I think would really compliment this deck's style and i read your earlier convo about you easily getting mana.
[/quote]
And my death rate is only really high when I am against Grixis Control or Mono black mainly. Other decks I play against my death rate is not that high as I watch my creatures.
I have Ghoultree its nice and all but if I get in my hand early game its more or less a dead card, plus all it is is a 10/10 big-stick which does not really help out much its easy to remove with little effort. Plus the mono-black person uses almost every kind of black kill spell in standard:
Tribute to hunger, tragic slip, murder, ultimate, multiate, and combine that with Blood artists, Gravecrawler, and Geralf messengers.
His deck is pretty quick when is not getting mana screwed.

Lumberknot I can see about getting 2 of them and testing them to see how they would.
I have 1 Grave Betrayal

[Simping For Hina]

Severed isn't that great in the mainboard. You want to run direct creature hate. Ultimate Price or Victim of Night. Tragic Slip isn't that good compared to the others since its rate of being morbid isn't too high. That is why you run the other choices above it since they are more likely to hit specific targets.

Treasure Find is a good card, but shouldn't be great in an aggro deck since you want to out race and beat the opponent. There are far better choices to even run in the entire 75 cards anyways.

Aggro is going to be a quick deck against many unless it is focused on midrange. With that, you want to focus on quicker cards and have a stronger chance of winning early game. Increasing Savagery is just going to take a spot in the higher costing cards and is going to make running more mana a need. Creatures are going to be better run that that itself. Along with Desecration Demon.

Grave Betrayal is just a horrible card in Standard. It doesn't see play anyways and there is a reason for that. It just isn't worth the cost.

Lumberknot isn't too great of a card over others that you would run with 4 CMC. If Death isn't going to focus on the graveyard, Ghoultree isn't even worth the effort. Lotleth Troll and Jarad are the main focus of cards in the grave itself. And those cards are better the deck than Ghoultree itself. And the graveyard has some hate focused on it alone anyways.

[Cray-Crow]

[quote name='DeathSDelano' timestamp='1355696809' post='6095263']
I have 1 Grave Betrayal
[/quote]


you should give grave betrayal a try. If you get the mana for it as quick you say you do, it should fit in nicely. Really get your swarm on.

do u feel you need some draw power? (i feel every deck needs some type of extra draw no matter how small) a harvester of souls would be good. he triggers off creature deaths for a single draw.

hmmm. id side in some bramblecrush or naturalize at least. bramblecrush is another card ppl underestimate. and if you're reeeeally confident about your mana ramage, you can maybe consider a single primal surge if you have one, but that's risky. Blasphemous Acts would easily screw that over.

[DeathSDelano]

And I am aware on the focus of faster cards, thats why my mana curve is heavy in the 2 CMC zone so I can quickly drop an army at the ready.
And the only other good 1 drop would be gravecrawler but that thing is expensive >.<

Draw power is one of the things I would like to add in, and I do own 1 Harvester of Souls and I also have 1 Soul of the Harvest, though the only down side is, I feel that would slow down the deck as a whole, but I have to be on my opponent not killing one them, plus they have a hefty cost which can backfire if my opponents are running alot of kill spells.
However, I will test it out just see how it goes, though I will probably just go with the Sign in blood option as I have a playset.

Also sundering Growth and Naturalize are basely the same think, both cost 2 mana though one would be Double Green instead of G + 1 w/e

and I honestly don't deal with artifacts that much. I deal with enchantments every so often, but Golgari Charm can take care of those and I do not have primal surge

[Simping For Hina]

Sign in Blood is the best draw power for black. Even running 2 is worth it.
Naturalize is a lot better than Sundering Growth since it is less mana intensive.

[Cray-Crow]

Skyfall's spot on with sign in blood. I run only 2 in my RB splash of W vamps and they get the job done.

[.Rai]

If you want to compare to a competitive player's deck, I'd suggest modelling it on Brian Kibler's slightly out-there G/B aggro deck he took to LA last week: http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/deck_tech_gb_aggro_with_brian_.html

Obviously, it's vaguely expensive, so that's just a model.