An Interesting Negative Number

[Blue Amoonguss]

I thought of an idea, and I let it take hold. Here is the result of that idea, so comment please.

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Lore: 2 or more level 8 Light or Dark monsters
Once per turn, you may detach one xyz material from this card, then apply the following effects based on the attribute of that material
Light: You gain 1000 Life points, and your monsters cannot be targetted by card effects for this turn.
Dark: This card gains 800 attack, inflicts piercing damage, and can attack twice for this turn.'
If this card has a non-light or dark xyz material on it, destroy this card.


I could not find the usual xyz card colors, so if you could tell me how, I would greatly appreciate your help

[LeguBrit]

There is an online card maker named Yugico. It has a more sleek look to it and has the Xyz monster card coloring.

As for the effect ([u][b]ONLY MY OPINION. DON'T TAKE THIS STUFF AS LITERAL[/b][/u].):

[quote]
Lore:
2 or more level 8 Light or Dark monsters [b]Chaos Dragons much possibly?[/b]
Once per turn[b]:[/b] you may detach one [b]X[/b]yz material from this card, then apply the following effects based on the attribute of that material[b]:[/b]
• Light: You gain 1000 Life points, and your monsters cannot be targetted by card effects for this turn. [b]I find this OP since it gives so much from one detach.[/b]
• Dark: This card gains 800 attack, inflicts piercing damage, and can attack twice for this turn. [b]I think that's OP again it's because it gains so much from one detach.[/b]
If this card has a non-light or dark xyz material on it, destroy this card.
[/quote]

My advice would be to make the effect something like this (I'm not sure about some of the OCG):

[quote]
Lore:
2 Level 8 LIGHT monsters OR 2 Level 8 Dark monsters
This card gains 1 of the following effects based on the Attribute of the Xyz Material attached to this card:
• LIGHT: At the start of your Main Phase 1, you can detach 1 Xyz Material: Gain 800 Life Points. This card cannot attack during the turn you activate this effect.
• DARK: At the start of your Main Phase 1, you can detach 1 Xyz Material: This card gains 800 ATK. During the turn you activate this effect, this card cannot attack your opponent directly.
[/quote]

You can completely disregard the fix though, it's only my opinion. Change what you want if you want.

[url="http://yugico.com/"]Link to Yugico. Click.[/url]

[Shinobi Phoenix]

[quote name='AlphaMan X' timestamp='1356609689' post='6103355']
There is an online card maker named Yugico. It has a more sleek look to it and has the Xyz monster card coloring.

As for the effect (comments and fixes in bold):



My advice would be to make the effect something like this (I'm not sure about some of the OCG):



[url="http://yugico.com/"]Link to Yugico. Click.[/url]

The card, as it is, gets a 5/10 from me. You have creative ability when it comes to card creation, but you chose a bad idea, with Rank 8 Xyz's like Number 15 and Number 22 outclassing your card AND are easier to summon. I get the feeling you can do better, don't be disheartened!
[/quote]


What makes that overpowered? You turned some typical already restricted effects and made them [b]WORSE[/b]. You even compared it to two cards you like that are better AFTER suggestions a version of the card that makes it FAR weaker. What exactly was bad about preventing monsters from being targeted by effects for a turn? You stripped that and made it only gain LP and NOT be able to attack? Really? You might be one to talk about "I get the feeling you can do better". It gains 800 ATK for a turn, with piercing and double attack on a restricted cost that it can only achieve essentially twice without really interesting support. You stripped all that except for the gain (totally NOT worth the restricted cost) and gave it a pointless weakness. I could see adding the restriction as INCLUSION of the effects, but what's the point in restricting the effects and then putting a weakness?

So your suggestion is to take a fair and mediocre card, tie it to a chair and beat it until it's a crappy and woefully weak card with no value in using it once so ever, then you had the nerve to say that it was worse than two real life cards that of course would be better AFTER you stripped this one. I'm sorry, but I think you had it completely wrong, especially to follow up with that passive-aggressive insult at the end.

[LeguBrit]

Wow. Sorry, I didn't see my comment like that. Seriously, I didn't mean it like that, I only meant the fix as a suggestion, and was only doing the "fixes" as a way of passing my opinion.

I'll change the comment then. Sorry Shinobi.

Sorry Amoongus.

[Blue Amoonguss]

[quote name='AlphaMan X' timestamp='1356621977' post='6103426']
Wow. Sorry, I didn't see my comment like that. Seriously, I didn't mean it like that, I only meant the fix as a suggestion, and was only doing the "fixes" as a way of passing my opinion.

I'll change the comment then. Sorry Shinobi.

Sorry Amoongus.
[/quote]Tis alright, I'm kinda new at this, but if you think about how some monsters (i.e BLS:EoB) can have two attributes at once, then the suggested fixes wouldn't make the card too overpowered. Still, you kinda restricted the effects too much.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

Card is really restrictive, but that's already been mentioned. My fix would be to make it generic, and then give it it's effects only if it has a Light/Dark material attached. There's nothing wrong with a 2700 beater, which in my opinion, should be at least 3000 so it can at least stand on it's own.

Wait, since when can BLS have two different attributes at the same time?

[Blue Amoonguss]

[quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1356624271' post='6103447']
Card is really restrictive, but that's already been mentioned. My fix would be to make it generic, and then give it it's effects only if it has a Light/Dark material attached. There's nothing wrong with a 2700 beater, which in my opinion, should be at least 3000 so it can at least stand on it's own.

Wait, since when can BLS have two different attributes at the same time?
[/quote]I thought it could. But, there are cards out there like that, you know.

[NoshpalStefan]

[quote name='Shinobi Phoenix' timestamp='1356618519' post='6103402']
What makes that overpowered? You turned some typical already restricted effects and made them [b]WORSE[/b]. You even compared it to two cards you like that are better AFTER suggestions a version of the card that makes it FAR weaker. What exactly was bad about preventing monsters from being targeted by effects for a turn? You stripped that and made it only gain LP and NOT be able to attack? Really? You might be one to talk about "I get the feeling you can do better". It gains 800 ATK for a turn, with piercing and double attack on a restricted cost that it can only achieve essentially twice without really interesting support. You stripped all that except for the gain (totally NOT worth the restricted cost) and gave it a pointless weakness. I could see adding the restriction as INCLUSION of the effects, but what's the point in restricting the effects and then putting a weakness?

So your suggestion is to take a fair and mediocre card, tie it to a chair and beat it until it's a crappy and woefully weak card with no value in using it once so ever, then you had the nerve to say that it was worse than two real life cards that of course would be better AFTER you stripped this one. I'm sorry, but I think you had it completely wrong, especially to follow up with that passive-aggressive insult at the end.
[/quote]

Dude, why are you attacking his comment in such a manner? AlphaMan was just trying to help and add an optional fix. And no offense, but the card is not mediocre to say the least. Yes, it takes a bunch of things to summon it but having an effect to go up to 3500, attack twice, and inflict piercing damage is a bit much. In all reasoning it isn't hard for an example to bring out two LIGHT monsters (Hieratics, anyone), DARK ones might be a bit harder to get out, but the card needs more restrictions than that.

In any case, though I agree with most of the fixes made already, I'm more interested into what prompted for your response? I mean some people can have harsh opinions on this site but no one insulted the card (In this case AlphaMan) nor did anyone try to destroy it. People are just trying to help, no real reason for you to be so angered.

[drcrisis]

[quote name='Shinobi Phoenix' timestamp='1356618519' post='6103402']
What makes that overpowered? You turned some typical already restricted effects and made them [b]WORSE[/b]. You even compared it to two cards you like that are better AFTER suggestions a version of the card that makes it FAR weaker. What exactly was bad about preventing monsters from being targeted by effects for a turn? You stripped that and made it only gain LP and NOT be able to attack? Really? You might be one to talk about "I get the feeling you can do better". It gains 800 ATK for a turn, with piercing and double attack on a restricted cost that it can only achieve essentially twice without really interesting support. You stripped all that except for the gain (totally NOT worth the restricted cost) and gave it a pointless weakness. I could see adding the restriction as INCLUSION of the effects, but what's the point in restricting the effects and then putting a weakness?

So your suggestion is to take a fair and mediocre card, tie it to a chair and beat it until it's a crappy and woefully weak card with no value in using it once so ever, then you had the nerve to say that it was worse than two real life cards that of course would be better AFTER you stripped this one. I'm sorry, but I think you had it completely wrong, especially to follow up with that passive-aggressive insult at the end.
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[b]He's got a point..[/b]

Its not in Chaos Dragons anymore, but in Hieratics, or Holy Mark, or whatever they're called.

This card would be redonkulous there, by so many levels.

You could abuse, abuse, abuse, abuse that little level 8 ball. And, it would give that deck what it doesnt have: Defense.

I think the LIGHT effect should be nerfed, but the DARK should stay powerful. My reason being? Its so hard to get DARK monsters out that level, that effect would be fine.

[The Great Milenko]

I honestly think it's fine the way it is. Really I like the idea. A Chaos Xyz is my idea of cool cards. Don't touch it bro, it's epic! But I do have 1 question. Does it require 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK? If so, then if anything it's underpowered!

[Blue Amoonguss]

[quote name='The Great Milenko' timestamp='1356886126' post='6106119']
I honestly think it's fine the way it is. Really I like the idea. A Chaos Xyz is my idea of cool cards. Don't touch it bro, it's epic! But I do have 1 question. Does it require 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK? If so, then if anything it's underpowered!
[/quote]The fine print indicates that it requires at least 2 level 8 monsters that can be light or dark attributted. You can summon it by 2 light or dark, but the effects it can activate would be limited.