Shield Break, stopping your opponent's Lyla since 2013.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

 

[spoiler='Nothing can stop this attack!']Target 1 Attack Position monster on the field; Change it to Defense Position and make its DEF 0. When the targeted monster is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard: Inflict Damage to your opponent equal to that monsters original DEF.[/spoiler]

 

Because Lyla's +1 destruction effect pisses me off.

[Shinobi Phoenix]

[spoiler='Nothing can stop this attack!']Target 1 Attack Position monster on the field; Change it to Defense Position and make its DEF 0. When the targeted monster is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard: Inflict Damage to your opponent equal to that monsters original DEF.[/spoiler]

 

Because Lyla's +1 destruction effect pisses me off.

 

 

Maybe only half the original DEF as damage.  The card works BOTH ways (offensively and defensive), so I can already see the usual YCM types whining to you about being broken.  It's not broken, but it is VERY easy to get off.

 

You attack my monster, I Shield Break it as you attack, the attack wasn't interrupted so it WILL go through unless you yourself can negate your own attack or prevent my monster from dying.  So the damage will happen since you are going to kill it.  This is similar to the Alchemic Cycle trick to make it always go off but way better.

 

Obviously you can use it offensively and attack your opponent, but that has far more risk involved anyway.

 

 

Off the top of my head however, I'm not sure if you can activate this during damage step (it alters DEF to 0, but since that effect is SIMULTANEOUS with the mode-shift effect, I'm not remembering how that works).  If it CAN activate in Damage Step, that only makes it more powerful.

 

 

I think cards should be useful and powerful, but people here are likely to whine to you.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

You attack my monster, I Shield Break it as you attack, the attack wasn't interrupted so it WILL go through unless you yourself can negate your own attack or prevent my monster from dying.  So the damage will happen since you are going to kill it.  This is similar to the Alchemic Cycle trick to make it always go off but way better.

What? It's literally the same card as Book of Moon. You can activate Book of Moon in response to an enemy attack, the attack will be stopped. Same situation here. :|

[SerooChann]

Maybe only half the original DEF as damage.  The card works BOTH ways (offensively and defensive), so I can already see the usual YCM types whining to you about being broken.  It's not broken, but it is VERY easy to get off.

 

You attack my monster, I Shield Break it as you attack, the attack wasn't interrupted so it WILL go through unless you yourself can negate your own attack or prevent my monster from dying.  So the damage will happen since you are going to kill it.  This is similar to the Alchemic Cycle trick to make it always go off but way better.

 

Obviously you can use it offensively and attack your opponent, but that has far more risk involved anyway.

 

 

Off the top of my head however, I'm not sure if you can activate this during damage step (it alters DEF to 0, but since that effect is SIMULTANEOUS with the mode-shift effect, I'm not remembering how that works).  If it CAN activate in Damage Step, that only makes it more powerful.

 

 

I think cards should be useful and powerful, but people here are likely to whine to you.

I don't think anyone's gonna whine about this. You make me feel like you're the boss of YCM going around some topic and with all bravery and mighty courage say, people gonna whine because they sux and I so cool.... I'm sure you're not meaning this but from the posts I saw in Toyo's Special Veiler and now here. Zaziuma is right....Anyways

 

Yes, Lyla, her switch to defense + destroy it is seriously annoying and I hate any similar effects. As for the card, it's a quick spell card that can stop your opponent's attacking monster or just seirously used in many situations, like, your opponent uses al his cards and effect on one monster to make it godlike, then bam, pop that thing to its face (or rather Magic Cylinder for the win). And many situations this can be used, depends on you and your use to it.

 

P.S  It's totally OP (not)

[Judαs]

You attack my monster, I Shield Break it as you attack, the attack wasn't interrupted so it WILL go through

It won't go through. Like what he said, if you activate Book of Moon, Kunai with Chain or Enemy controller or something when they declare an attack, it stops.

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It's a good card, and it doesn't seem overpowered to me, because if the opponent manages to hold it a turn they can just change it back to attack, plus in MP2 they can still use it as Xyz or Synchro material if it is that risky, etc.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

It won't go through. Like what he said, if you activate Book of Moon, Kunai with Chain or Enemy controller or something when they declare an attack, it stops.

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It's a good card, and it doesn't seem overpowered to me, because if the opponent manages to hold it a turn they can just change it back to attack, plus in MP2 they can still use it as Xyz or Synchro material if it is that risky, etc.

They wouldn't be able to in the first place. For example, if I were to chain this to TGU's effect, since it was not properly Summoned at resolution, and instead was in Defense Position when the card states "When this card is Normal Summoned", TGU's effect will not work.

 

However, it doesn't stop Rabbit. :`(

[Shinobi Phoenix]

What? It's literally the same card as Book of Moon. You can activate Book of Moon in response to an enemy attack, the attack will be stopped. Same situation here. :neutral:

 

You might want to RE-read what I said.

 

 

You attack MY monster, I Shield Break it.

 

 

Why are you reading "it" as the opponent's monster?  I'm talking about Shield Breaking MY OWN MONSTER (the DEFENDING monster).  I even brought up a card in real life where you have to do exactly that... Alchemy Cycle.  I love how younger people are so much more willing to enforce negativity instead of clear thinking.

 

 

You can use Shield Break on your opponent's monster to that only negates their attack (a third option), but if you want to damage your opponent (a MUCH better tactic), you use it on YOUR OWN monster during Damage Step (I checked, it is possible) and your opponent is screwed without a Counter Trap.

 

Nothing about my statement is untrue.

 

 

You can use this card for the intended effect (the burn damage) both offensively and defensively, but you can also negate attacks (a third use).

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

You attack MY monster, I Shield Break it. Why are you reading "it" as the opponent's monster?

 

 

Because switching your own monster to Defense Position in the Damage Step is bad.

 

 

I even brought up a card in real life where you have to do exactly that... Alchemy Cycle.

 

 

I'm sorry, I don't play MtG. If you want to draw parallelisms between specific cards between two TCGs, go somewhere else.

 

 

I love how younger people are so much more willing to enforce negativity instead of clear thinking.

 

 

You take things WAYYYYYYYYYYY out of context. If you wanted to burn your opponent using this card, there are better, faster ways of doing it besides switching your boss to DEF for a measly burn. Also, fuck you, too, you arrogant prick.

 

 

Nothing about my statement is untrue.

 

 

At what point did I say ANYTHING about your statement being untrue

[SerooChann]

Now now, let's all chill before this turns into a flaming topic

[Just Crouton]

I rather like this card. It's not as abusable as Book of Moon (not flipping the monster down means no Morphing Jar shenanigans,) but does pretty much the same thing. I like how it both stops attacks and makes boss monsters easy to kill at the same time.

 

 

You attack MY monster, I Shield Break it.

 

But, you lose 2 cards to inflict piss damage.

 

 

I'm sorry, I don't play MtG. If you want to draw parallelisms between specific cards between two TCGs, go somewhere else.

 

 

It's funny that he compares a Book of Moon to this though. Reminds me of someone...

[Judαs]

For example, if I were to chain this to TGU's effect, since it was not properly Summoned at resolution, and instead was in Defense Position when the card states "When this card is Normal Summoned", TGU's effect will not work.

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Why would it stop TGU?
Let's take both Book of Moon and Enemy Controller into consideration.
If I chain either card to TGU's effect, it has still been activated, because it has been Normal Summoned, hence the Lv3 Fiend will still be summoned, even if Book flipped it face-down or EC changed it into face-up defense position, because that effect will resolve.

[Just Crouton]

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Why would it stop TGU?
 

 

 

"When, you can"

 

Topic card is a quickplay, making it a higher speed than TG's eff.

 

...

 

I think...

 

Or, it's when you chain to the summon.

[Shinobi Phoenix]

Awesome, multiple points I have to cover:


I will go bit by bit as it comes to me.

@Machismo
- In regards to "piss damage", if 2000+ damage (depending on monster) is piss during a play where it would be better for me to kill you sooner rather than just save my monster (it's case by case obviously), then we'll just have to agree to disagree.  I'm not saying I would always choose to burn you (and it will be better to save my monster in some cases), but that's the point.  It's case by case how the card would be used and if it is used.  If it is available, I don't mind sacrifice plays and scorched earth tactics for the greater good if it comes to it.  I don't fault the options, I just use them as they are needed.  If anything, we just agree on the versatility of the card.  I don't see that as a bad thing.  You play as best-suited for you and I will play as best suited for me and neither one of us could be wrong for playing to the tactics we feel best with.  As in, there's nothing to argue about just because we play differently from each other.

And you know I'm not the one who compared the card to Book of Moon, I was only talking about Alchemy Cycle in regards to comparing how you best use that and how it compares to one of the ways to use Shield Break as a real life point of reference.  Didn't say it was the best way to use Shield Break either, just compared to the best way to use Alchemy Cycle.

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@Devil's Advocate
- It was your misunderstanding of my logic and then trashing on it (read into your connotion in your post, it wasn't exactly positive or constructive), and then others capitalizing on your negativity built on it from something you simply misunderstood.  What was worse was that no one simply looked back and figured out what I actually said until I was forced to explain it myself.  This is usually what I'm referring to when I said people here seem to prefer tearing each other down instead of being a community like they claim they want.

I've said nothing negative about your card (or you even after you flamed me twice), I even said "they might whine about it" because on paper, the card is really good and versatile and you've seen as much as I have on other threads how people attack things like that rather pointlessly.  Again, I COMPLIMENTED YOUR CARD, your work.  You just called someone complimented your card and then preemptively defended it against future nay-sayers an "arrogant prick".  An "arrogant prick", who was sticking up for you against what may or may not come based on what has been done before.  Let's be very clear on that.

My only real suggestion was that you make it half-DEF to take some heat off, but I can promise I would take it as it comes if this was real and I'm pretty sure I haven't done anything but shower it with praise.  Please go back and really read it.


You're flaming a defender who has/had no intention of attacking you even after you, for whatever reason, read into something wrong.

 

 

Also, why are you arguing me on my MAKING USES for your card as I would use it?  Not saying it's stupid (because it's not), not saying it's useless (because it isn't), but because I am describing a use for your card?  You are debating me on what exactly?  That one shouldn't use your card that way?  (that would also be the "nothing I said was untrue" part).

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@SerooChann
-  What exactly were you feeding negativity for?  I said what I said for a very exact reason.  Because it happens. A whole lot of attacking and not a lot of defending unless "you're friends" or one is garnishing goodwill points for themselves.  People see something on paper that looks really good and fly off the handle with arguments that go no where.  Happens all the time (something I wish wouldn't happen).  Was my statement reactionary and based on other cases?  Yes.  If anything, it should have been taken in passing and at most just ignored.  Now instead, you fed your own negativity into something that was otherwise intended as preemptive defense, not harm.  Isn't that nice?  Some people do prefer to take a big brother approach to things because I can promise you, I was.  Now you've taken an antagonistic approach to me instead of as a friend because you misunderstand my ways.  

"It made shoes for orphans.  Nice job breaking it, hero."