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[Rainbeux]

Things like 'Trap Eater' are cool so I made Star Eater

Effect:This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Tributing monsters whose combined level is equal to this card. When this card is Special Summoned, select 1 Level 8 or higher monster you control; send it to the Graveyard. This cards ATK and DEF by the half of selected monsters Level x1000. You cannot conduct Battle Phase on the turn you activate this effect. During you Standby Phase, Tribute 1 monster or take the selected monsters Level x100 damage.

If read, please give constructive criticism.

[Zazubat]

Completely and extreamly broken. There's so many cards that can SS themselves so it's easier to get this out, and at least a 4K attacker? Are you insane!? I got no idea what you mean by this: or take the selected monsters Level x100.
Care to explain? I mean you can't attack with it right away, but it's not a big deal really. But right now you have an extreamly powerful moster on your hands.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

The only thing I find broken in this card is the OCG. I mean seriously, the last sentence makes no sense at all. As for the effect, well, pretty much the only thing that can use this is Photons and that's pretty much it. No other archetype ATM focuses on something level 8s as much as Photons. Granted, it's a stupidly easy way to get a level 8 out to make Neo Galaxy Eyes but the second effect, you'll need at least 2 level 8s out and I'd rather keep it that way especially if one of them has a good effect like Galaxy Eyes. I know it's an easy 4k attacker but I don't think it's that much of a deal really. It's just a Special Summonable Obelisk, that's all. I think a better wording might be:

 

"Cannot be Normal Summoned or set. Can only be Special Summoned by tributing monsters you control whose total level equal 8. When this card is Special Summoned: Target 1 level 8 or higher monster you control and send it to the graveyard; this card gains ATK and DEF equal to half the level of the sent monster X1000. You cannot conduct your Battle Phase during the turn you activate this effect. *the last effect I have no idea so I can't fix it*"

[DL]

The last effect, I'm guessing means you take damage to your LP equal to the monster's levle x100?

 

 

I DO love the art, and it's an interesting idea...

 

I actually don't mind the effect, or think it's too broken, simply because you need to tribute 8 levels, then tribute at least a level 8 monster.

 

 

If anything, I'd NOT use this, for being too restrictive since I could easily have other options.

 

4K attack IS tempting though, so I guess that's pretty nice.

 

Not a bad job overall :3

[Zazubat]

You guys have a point, but I just look and this and see a 4k beater which can be pretty easily summoned in some Decks. Like mentioned Photon can bring it out fast. I also wish he would update the last effect, because if it is a simply life point cost, then I still take it as OP, but if something else I could except this card.

[Rainbeux]

I updated it if you are looking

[Zazubat]

Well, my gut was right, while the OCG is still pretty off, it at least makes more sense, and is in my book way better than having to tribute a monster. If it was 200x the level it would be a little different, though right now it's easy to keep this alive.

[newhat]

This seems...underpowered. Assuming you Tribute some cheap Level 8 (say, Coach Bear) and send Metal Reflect Slime to the Graveyard (not sure if that would work), you don't get to attack that turn and you take 500 damage a turn. You'll lose so much card presence and life in the process of using this, and it's so vulnerable to Effect Veiler and negation (as well as Torrential and the like) that your opponent can just tank with Defense Position monsters and still come out ahead.

[Zazubat]

This seems...underpowered. Assuming you Tribute some cheap Level 8 (say, Coach Bear) and send Metal Reflect Slime to the Graveyard (not sure if that would work), you don't get to attack that turn and you take 500 damage a turn. You'll lose so much card presence and life in the process of using this, and it's so vulnerable to Effect Veiler and negation (as well as Torrential and the like) that your opponent can just tank with Defense Position monsters and still come out ahead.

Trap Monsters don't work like Tokens, even if they did it still wouldn't matter in this case as the card doens't specificly say anywhere for it to go.

 Now, yes it will take some time to get this out, and Effect Veiler can get rid of this (though EV is probably the most dickish card around for these kinds of monsters :/) but still, if you play your cards right, it's a 4k beater for a simple Bear or Gimmick Puppet play, or anything else that can get it out pretty easily. It's not going to OTK you (since it technicly can't) but most cards can't deal with this. Plus you can get more monsters out to get rid off annoying blockers if you really need to. If you added something that made it the only card, the blockers could be enough to make it not so powerful in my book, but just a suggestion you don't have to do something like that.

[newhat]

This card costs several cards to get out, and requires Deck dedication to get out with high ATK. It cannot damage your opponent immediately. It also damages you unless you sacrifice more cards. This defeats the value of having a monster with high ATK.

[Synchronized]

Ignore Zaziuma, he has no idea what he's talking about.  It's not broken in the slightest.  In fact, it's not even playable.  It's a -2 to summon and even then, you have to control a Level 8 or higher monster just for it to have ATK points.  And if for some reason you brought it out without ATK points, you still have to pay the costs.

 

It's far too underpowered.

[Zazubat]

Ignore Zaziuma, he has no idea what he's talking about.  It's not broken in the slightest.  In fact, it's not even playable.  It's a -2 to summon and even then, you have to control a Level 8 or higher monster just for it to have ATK points.  And if for some reason you brought it out without ATK points, you still have to pay the costs.

 

It's far too underpowered.

Oh I have plenty idea of what I'm talking about, I gave examples of how to get it out easily, I explained how it was powerful, I explained how to make it work. What other 4k+ monster can you get out that easily?

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

It's a 4K monster that gets killed by Effect Veiler. Playing it is a big risk and I would rather invest my cards in something more reliable. 

[Zazubat]

It's a 4K monster that gets killed by Effect Veiler. Playing it is a big risk and I would rather invest my cards in something more reliable. 

may be true,  Fiendish Chains takes care of any effect monster as well. It's not extreamly reliable, and it does cost a lot of monsters, but so does Neo Eyes, and if your opponent Bottomless that monster you are screwed. I guess really you can say that every card is underpowered because they can fall into the trap of Bottomless for high ATK monsters out of the gate like Neo or Effect Veiler for ? monsters like Star Eater or something like that.

[newhat]

 What other 4k+ monster can you get out that easily?

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may be true, Fiendish Chains takes care of any effect monster as well. It's not extreamly reliable, and it does cost a lot of monsters, but so does Neo Eyes, and if your opponent Bottomless that monster you are screwed.

 

 

Indeed. This is why NGEPD is more of a "Timmy" card than a utility.

 

 

I guess really you can say that every card is underpowered because they can fall into the trap of Bottomless for high ATK monsters out of the gate like Neo or Effect Veiler for ? monsters like Star Eater or something like that.

 

 

If your Thunder King Rai-Oh dies to Bottomless Trap Hole, you've lost 1 card and your opponent has lost 1 card. You didn't have to spend any extra cards or setup to bring it out.

 

As for big monsters, some will take cards for themselves if eliminated (Gear Gigant X, Machina Fortress), some come with self-protection (Tiras, Keeper of Genesis, Shooting Quasar Dragon) and some will win you the game outright if they succeed (Trident Dragion, Shock Master). This card could be good if it had some of those properties.

[numbershooter]

nice concept and all it just seems a little easy to summon like summon  a gimmick puppet easy most of the times then there is bearman which can be normal summoned without any monsters so there is another one turn kill. then hieratics which can easy summon level 8 normals so you can just use them to easy get him out.not to be forgoten the dark world have there own level 88 grapha which can be repeatedly summoned by returning a dark world so not hard to keep summoning him,not to forget the malefic monsters which can be summoned by banishing a certain monster.next is guardian eatos which also can be specailed. there are also all the normal level with ancient rule so another easy summon for it so that is a way to easy monster to summon in my thought also the effect can make it get out a 6000 attack monster at most

[Zazubat]

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Indeed. This is why NGEPD is more of a "Timmy" card than a utility.

 

 

 

 

If your Thunder King Rai-Oh dies to Bottomless Trap Hole, you've lost 1 card and your opponent has lost 1 card. You didn't have to spend any extra cards or setup to bring it out.

 

As for big monsters, some will take cards for themselves if eliminated (Gear Gigant X, Machina Fortress), some come with self-protection (Tiras, Keeper of Genesis, Shooting Quasar Dragon) and some will win you the game outright if they succeed (Trident Dragion, Shock Master). This card could be good if it had some of those properties.

What the hell is a "Timmy" card? And those monsters with selfprotect can't take care of themselves on summons, if your opponent Bottomlesses their monsters (for the most part). Though I agree this could use some of those properties.

[Rainbeux]

Well since theres such a big commotion about KO about the card why don't i change its effect.

 

Effect:This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Tributing monsters whose combined level is equal to this card. When this card is Special Summoned, select 1 Level 8 or higher monster you control; send it to the Graveyard. This cards ATK and DEF by the half of selected monsters Level x1000. You cannot conduct Battle Phase on the turn you activate this effect. During you Standby Phase, Tribute 1 monster or take the selected monsters Level x100 damage. This card and not be targeted by opponent card effects

[Zazubat]

Well since theres such a big commotion about KO about the card why don't i change its effect.

 

Effect:This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Tributing monsters whose combined level is equal to this card. When this card is Special Summoned, select 1 Level 8 or higher monster you control; send it to the Graveyard. This cards ATK and DEF by the half of selected monsters Level x1000. You cannot conduct Battle Phase on the turn you activate this effect. During you Standby Phase, Tribute 1 monster or take the selected monsters Level x100 damage. This card and not be targeted by opponent card effects

hm, it can still be Mirror Forced or Holed, but it does make it pretty powerful. Don't know about this change. Also please change your selfburn cost to this : "or take damage equal to that target's Level x100.

[newhat]

That's...a bit better. Still dies to Bottomless, but it's usable now.

 

A "Timmy" card is a card focused on BIG NUMBAHS and UNLIMITED POWER rather than combos (a "Johnny" card) or consistency (a "Spike" card). These terms are from Magic.

[Zazubat]

That's...a bit better. Still dies to Bottomless, but it's usable now.

A lot of stuff dies to Bottomless Newhat, the only protection is either a Counter or a "This summon cannot be negated" which would make this card totaly brokes if I also had that along with the no card effect target.

A "Timmy" card is a card focused on BIG NUMBAHS and UNLIMITED POWER rather than combos (a "Johnny" card) or consistency (a "Spike" card). These terms are from Magic.

Okay, the more you know I guess.