DilanUSB Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 So Long i leaving this forum ... Now, "I'am Back" B) I just a newbie, i very AMATEUR for make an opening :P OK... i'm sorry for any mistakes from this TOPIC .. but i try to do the best :) thank's for read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Silent Echo Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 First of all, welcome back :) Now, onto your card. While the image and concept are quite cool, it's undoubtedly overpowered. A 5000 ATK beat stick normal monster? All you need to do is take a look at the other normal monsters out there that require 2 tributes for far less attack to realize that this card would be banned the instant it came out. Also, this is probably just me nitpicking, but the monster's lore could also use a bit of work on the grammar. I get what you're saying, but you should probably change it to something like this; "The most dangerous Grim Reaper in the Dark World. It haunts the dreams of those who lose against it in battle". Anyways, the biggest suggestion that I have for you is that a monster that powerful shouldn't possibly be able to be summoned without some kind of special condition. I mean, look at 'Malefic Truth Dragon'; in order to summon that card, you need to pay half of your life points, and even then only when another 'malefic' card is destroyed. And even after you summon it, it is destroyed if there is no field spell card active. Since you're an 'amateur' (as you put it), these mistakes are excusable and perfectly understandable. However, for future reference, you should probably take a look at some modern cards to get an idea of what's balanced and what isn't. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Uh, I'm going to have to disagree with you Silent. You say this is overpowered, but I say it won't see the light of day for a completely different reason. Who is going to Summon this when it doesn't do anything for the Decks played now-a-days? Sure it has 5000 ATK and DEF, but it requires too much to even get this out. And tbh, the only Vanillas that are used are those Level 4 or lower that can be used with Rescue Rabbit. To me, this is useless for anything other than a fun Deck. Just my two cents on this card. Since you are a newb Dilan, I would suggest you ask people around the subforum to teach you and give you hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Uh, I'm going to have to disagree with you Silent. You say this is overpowered, but I say it won't see the light of day for a completely different reason. Who is going to Summon this when it doesn't do anything for the Decks played now-a-days? Sure it has 5000 ATK and DEF, but it requires too much to even get this out. And tbh, the only Vanillas that are used are those Level 4 or lower that can be used with Rescue Rabbit. To me, this is useless for anything other than a fun Deck. Just my two cents on this card. Since you are a newb Dilan, I would suggest you ask people around the subforum to teach you and give you hand. I hope you realize that there's plenty of spell cards that can get normal monsters out right? Cards such as Ancient Rules don't even have a cost You could even use CotH on this fellow if you got it in the grave (Foolish Burial/Dark World Dealings). I would call this pretty powerful for a Normal Monster, and I would never go higher than 3000 for Normal Monsters myself. He did not have in the intend of balancing this when he posted, that's pretty clear to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iam Isthename Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Does anyone forget about our handy-dandy Ancient Rules? But to think of it, this card has a great firepower that someone has to deal with. But since it basically has no effect, it could only rely on its massive ATK power and DEF which were kinda high, but something like Man Eater Bug can destroy this monster easily. Your score? It was originally 6 out of 10 but since you are an "amateur", I'm giving you a 7. :edited: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I hope you realize that there's plenty of spell cards that can get normal monsters out right? Cards such as Ancient Rules don't even have a cost You could even use CotH on this fellow if you got it in the grave (Foolish Burial/Dark World Dealings). I would call this pretty powerful for a Normal Monster, and I would never go higher than 3000 for Normal Monsters myself. He did not have in the intend of balancing this when he posted, that's pretty clear to me. Yet all it is is a beatstick. How does a DIVINE monster support any of the Decks currently used? And I hope you know how many ways something like this can be taken care of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 HE BROKE THE RULE. It's an unwritten rule amongst card designers that no Normal Monster can exceed the ATK of Blue-Eyes White Dragon, and I for one think seeing it broken offers no real sound logic at all. Creating a card like this, even though it's not inherently overpowered, is still bad design because one, it's unrealistic; I still maintain the belief that no normal monster will surpass BEWD, and on top of that, there are a lot of Normal Monster support cards that make this extremely easy to drop. Being able to drop a 5000 ATK normal for nothing isn't something to laugh at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 HE BROKE THE RULE. It's an unwritten rule amongst card designers that no Normal Monster can exceed the ATK of Blue-Eyes White Dragon, and I for one think seeing it broken offers no real sound logic at all. Creating a card like this, even though it's not inherently overpowered, is still bad design because one, it's unrealistic; I still maintain the belief that no normal monster will surpass BEWD, and on top of that, there are a lot of Normal Monster support cards that make this extremely easy to drop. Being able to drop a 5000 ATK normal for nothing isn't something to laugh at. The rule of 3000 and the rule of 2000? Konami doesn't follow the second anymore really. About Black Kistune, yes there's a lot that can take care of this, but hey there's a lot of cards that can take care of about any freaking card! Bottomless, MF, CED with more. Everybody uses them so it's not something you should take into account when having a card, it's if you play it you can take your opponent down by a single strike with it. Christ this card is a 10k beatstick with Metamorph for christ sake! Get this out when your opponent has no cards, use a heavy and a hole, and equip it with Metamorph and boom you win. This is cheap as hell, and shouldn't even have been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Dude, Megamorph is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Dude, Megamorph is bad. not if you can have a 10k monster I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 not if you can have a 10k monster I would say. Same logic applies to something like Cyber End Dragon. Except I'd rather have an 8000 piercer than a 10000 normal. I'm still saying 5000 ATK is too much (and not realistic at all), but it still wouldn't see tons of play regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Same logic applies to something like Cyber End Dragon. Except I'd rather have an 8000 piercer than a 10000 normal. I'm still saying 5000 ATK is too much (and not realistic at all), but it still wouldn't see tons of play regardless. I'm sure if it was realeased it would, this card is way easier to summon than Cyber End Dragon will ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iam Isthename Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Effect: Cyber End Dragon vs. This card? Cyber End Dragon wins because a piercer is better than a vanilla. Power: This monster wins... but some adjustment to Cyber End and boom! CED would just destroy the heck out of this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Effect: Cyber End Dragon vs. This card? Cyber End Dragon wins because a piercer is better than a vanilla. Power: This monster wins... but some adjustment to Cyber End and boom! CED would just destroy the heck out of this card. It has nothing to do with power, it has to do with the summonability. This is an easy tribute/SS away while you got to have 3 monsters an a Poly or something for that to work. You can compare power, but can't compare the playability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Let me explain it in simpler terms; 5000 ATK on a 2 Tribute monster is entirely unrealistic. The strongest monster in-game, I believe, is 4600 (Machina Force) and even then, you don't "Tribute Summon" that, you do all sorts of fancy discarding or whatever. The point is, though, even with 5000 ATK, there are better options than this. You still have to offer up 2 Tributes to bring it out normally, which is slow and most often won't work. Again, if you're going to save up the time and effort to Tribute Summon something, you're better off going for Obelisk or Slifer, because the Summon can't be negated and things can't be activated on Summon. While I understand what you're trying to say in terms of it being able to 'OTK' with Megamorph, that's just not practical at all. The card would probably see play in casual Decks and definitely new players who don't really understand the game, but competitive/good players would most likely not use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Let me explain it in simpler terms; 5000 ATK on a 2 Tribute monster is entirely unrealistic. The strongest monster in-game, I believe, is 4600 (Machina Force) and even then, you don't "Tribute Summon" that, you do all sorts of fancy discarding or whatever. The point is, though, even with 5000 ATK, there are better options than this. You still have to offer up 2 Tributes to bring it out normally, which is slow and most often won't work. Again, if you're going to save up the time and effort to Tribute Summon something, you're better off going for Obelisk or Slifer, because the Summon can't be negated and things can't be activated on Summon. While I understand what you're trying to say in terms of it being able to 'OTK' with Megamorph, that's just not practical at all. The card would probably see play in casual Decks and definitely new players who don't really understand the game, but competitive/good players would most likely not use it. Sigh, you simply shouldn't make a 5K normal monster, it doesn't matter if it doesn't have a "cannot be destroyed". And as said a million times, there's easier ways to bring this out, I already said that using Ancient Rules is probably the easiest way, but CotH from grave (or some spell that can summon normal monsters easily) could get it out of there. Just wipe the field before you use this and win. It also avoids cards such as Fiendish Chains because it's a normal monster. You can't just regard Normal Monsters as cards without any form of playablity, when making a Deck you focus on playability with the cards you put in it. Also, tributing is not that hard, there's plenty of swarmers out there, and you can just use a thing like Double Summon to get it out if you already used your normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I'm locking this because of the Blue-Eyes rule. No vanilla passes Blue-Eyes because of the fact that 3000 is stupidly difficult to get over. Doesn't matter if it wouldn't see play, it would do /something/ stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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