Lonk Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 As a response to the Mirror Force thread, let us hypothetically say that this card is @2 because stupid OTKs are rampant and everyone mains cards like Debunk and Mind Drain for whatever reason. Discuss, rant, ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 ban pls and release Gimmick Box/something else with a similar effect in the anime/manga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I don't really agree with those who say that this should be banned, but it being at more than 1 is infinitely more stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 There is a very good reason why this card was introduced @1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 a lot of people still go for the OTK even while this is here, what's up with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'm just glad tokens can't be used for xyz summons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'm sure as hell glad this exists, he and Trag punish attempts at OTKs. Also, even with RaiDa out you can use him for every direct attack and slowly drain the dragon to where it isn't lethal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Should stay @1 forever. Moving it up or down would be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Should stay @1 forever. Moving it up or down would be bad. Why shouldn't we ban it? It's an unhealthy mind game that rewards the user way too much for losing. We already have fader, swift scarecrow, and trag to deal with OTKs anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Why shouldn't we ban it? It's an unhealthy mind game that rewards the user way too much for losing. We already have fader, swift scarecrow, and trag to deal with OTKs anyways. Stopping OTK's is merely 1 of Gorz's healthy properties, and is the least important. Gorz is like Heavy in that it makes players think more before doing things. Banning Gorz would just dumb the game down. And who said anything about losing? Gorz doesn't "reward you for losing", it allows you to punish your opponent's reckless choices, like attacking with their highest monster on an empty field without having any follow-up to the Gorz if their opponent has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Stopping OTK's is merely 1 of Gorz's healthy properties, and is the least important. Gorz is like Heavy in that it makes players think more before doing things. Banning Gorz would just dumb the game down. And who said anything about losing? Gorz doesn't "reward you for losing", it allows you to punish your opponent's reckless choices, like attacking with their highest monster on an empty field without having any follow-up to the Gorz if their opponent has it. I once lost because someone Gorz'd my Ryko. You call that "stopping an OTK"? It rewards players in a losing position just as much as it stops otks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 [quote name="Superdoopertrooper" post="6184344" timestamp="1366430790"]Stopping OTK's is merely 1 of Gorz's healthy properties, and is the least important. Gorz is like Heavy in that it makes players think more before doing things. Banning Gorz would just dumb the game down. And who said anything about losing? Gorz doesn't "reward you for losing", it allows you to punish your opponent's reckless choices, like attacking with their highest monster on an empty field without having any follow-up to the Gorz if their opponent has it.[/quote] If simply attacking directly is a reckless choice, then I don't want to play Yugiohcardmaker anymore. If you don't think that empty field usually characterize a losing situation, then you should probably tweak your definition a bit. Furthermore, punishing players brutally for winning and rewarding them graciously for losing off of a single card is inherently bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 If simply attacking directly is a reckless choice, then I don't want to play Yugiohcardmaker anymore. If you don't think that empty field usually characterize a losing situation, then you should probably tweak your definition a bit. Furthermore, punishing players brutally for winning and rewarding them graciously for losing off of a single card is inherently bad. Attacking directly on an empty field with your highest monster knowing that doing so will severely harm you if they have Gorz IS a reckless choice, and is completely your own fault. It's not rocket science; if you don't think you should take the risk of doing so, then don't. Heaven forbid that players have to actually make choices right? Why should you ALWAYS be able to attack your opponent if they have an empty field without having to think? Gorz doesn't punish players for winning and reward losing either. You can be up in card advantage and be winning and drop Gorz on a losing opponent as well. It has nothing to do with winning or losing, it has to do with punishing the player who makes a risky and ill backed-up decision. And if you're wining and you're opponent is losing, you should be able to deal with their Gorz because you'll have more resources and a better position anyway, so I have no idea why you're spitting chips over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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