Gene Battler

[Zazubat]

Weird, I thought I posted this topic, no wonder why I couldn't find it.

 

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2 Level 4 monsters  
When this card is Xyz Summoned: You can target 1 Level 4 monster in your Graveyard; this card gains that target’s effects until the End Phase, but you cannot activate other monster effects that activate on the field and you cannot Special Summon other monsters for the rest of this turn. Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, then target 1 monster in your Graveyard; this card’s name, Type and Attribute become that target’s name, Type and Attribute. This effect of “Gene Battler” can only activated once while this card is face-up on the field.

 

Rulings:

*Gene Battler can target monsters with same Type/Attribute/Name as itself.

[forteller]

Wow this card is great it literally have limitless possibilties also is ridicously easy to summon and i can get the effect of monsters in my graveyard that i otherwise could summon like  Judgement Dragon XD or maybe Tragodeia and make this guy really big for 1 turn lol this card is good. i cant decide whether its busted but it most likely is i get to use all my best monsters again basically.

 

ok i thought about and this card is broken definatly  for the same reason sangan and witch are broken too useful in toomany stiuation a far too easy to use in almost any deck,

[Zazubat]

Wow this card is great it literally have limitless possibilties also is ridicously easy to summon and i can get the effect of monsters in my graveyard that i otherwise could summon like  Judgement Dragon XD or maybe Tragodeia and make this guy really big for 1 turn lol this card is good. i cant decide whether its busted but it most likely is i get to use all my best monsters again basically.

 

ok i thought about and this card is broken definatly  for the same reason sangan and witch are broken too useful in toomany stiuation a far too easy to use in almost any deck,

I might need to make a Level requirement, because I dislike some of the posibilities here.

[forteller]

that or the card needs a heavy drawback to balence it consider having to detach both material and or make it harder to summon

[Zazubat]

that or the card needs a heavy drawback to balence it consider having to detach both material and or make it harder to summon

I don't really see the point in having both Materials detached, as you can only use the effect once, only exception is if it was flipped face-down and then face-up later, but the chance of that happening are kinda low. In most cases, that will actually help you, so you got more cards in your Grave you can reuse (cause as we all know, cards in the Grave are never truely dead).

[forteller]

how does lvl 6 or lower sound it still would be able to target most things just not all the stupid big boss monsters it still might be broken even with that because their are alot of low star monsters that have op effect thus are limited to one this card almost gives you another one... maybe remove the target from play?

[Zazubat]

how does lvl 6 or lower sound it still would be able to target most things just not all the stupid big boss monsters it still might be broken even with that because their are alot of low star monsters that have op effect thus are limited to one this card almost gives you another one... maybe remove the target from play?

Banishing sounds like it could work, along with a Level 6 and lower. Doesn't allow Elemental Dragons to abuse this, and can still help out the main reason I made this card, Bujin - Yamato.

[Zazubat]

Alright, I have edited the effect.

[forteller]

honeslty id still add the banishing looking at this card as is i still see alot of abuse that can be donei mean think of all the lvl 6 and lower Xyz and Syn's you could copy.. yeah this card still needs drawsbacks i think all the best Xyz are still easy targets

[Zazubat]

honeslty id still add the banishing looking at this card as is i still see alot of abuse that can be donei mean think of all the lvl 6 and lower Xyz and Syn's you could copy.. yeah this card still needs drawsbacks i think all the best Xyz are still easy targets

Well for one, it cannot copy Xyz Monsters as Xyz Monsters don't have Levels, and I doubt you would want to play this in any Synchro Deck tbh. I need more opinions before I decide this design choice.

[NoshpalStefan]

When this card is Xyz Summoned: You can target 1 Level 6 or lower monster in your Graveyard:; This card gains that target’s effects until the End Phase. Once per turn:, You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, then to target 1 monster in your Graveyard; this card’s name, Ttype and Aattribute becomes that target’s name, Ttype and Aattribute. This effect of “Gene Battler” can only activated once while this card is it's face-up on the field.

 

Fixed the lore for you.

 

The picture is horrid to say the least - please find a better one.

 

Stats are decent.

 

Now, for the actual effect - it's literally too much. I realize that making it LV6 and lower was intended for a balance, but it just doesn't help much. Did you momentarily forget about cards like Infernity Mirage, cards that make decks broken and are low levels? This guy can basically serve as another Hundred-Eyes Dragon if you ask me, and that's just...no.

 

I gotta give it a low rating (probably 5/10) for its utter brokenness. I'd suggest, if you still want to keep working on this card, to add a restriction effect which is as follows: You cannot Special Summon during the turn you activate this effect.

[forteller]

fair enough maybe im not thinking this thou enough but it just seems like any card that can give me more chances to use limted cards is borderline think of these cards LONEFIRE BLOSSOM, INZEKTOR DRAGONFLY, BLACKWING - GALE THE WHIRLWIND, CHAOS SORCERER they are all limited to one and can be targeted by this card....

[Zazubat]

When this card is Xyz Summoned: You can target 1 Level 6 or lower monster in your Graveyard:; This card gains that target’s effects until the End Phase. Once per turn:, You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, then to target 1 monster in your Graveyard; this card’s name, Ttype and Aattribute becomes that target’s name, Ttype and Aattribute. This effect of “Gene Battler” can only activated once while this card is it's face-up on the field.

 

Fixed the lore for you.

 

The picture is horrid to say the least - please find a better one.

 

Stats are decent.

 

Now, for the actual effect - it's literally too much. I realize that making it LV6 and lower was intended for a balance, but it just doesn't help much. Did you momentarily forget about cards like Infernity Mirage, cards that make decks broken and are low levels? This guy can basically serve as another Hundred-Eyes Dragon if you ask me, and that's just...no.

 

I gotta give it a low rating (probably 5/10) for its utter brokenness. I'd suggest, if you still want to keep working on this card, to add a restriction effect which is as follows: You cannot Special Summon during the turn you activate this effect.

Let me, the OCG Police, take a look at that fix:
 

When this card is Xyz Summoned: You can target 1 Level 6 or lower monster in your Graveyard:; (fair enough, but colon and semi-colon are right next to each other, at least on a Danish keyboard) This (I see that you capitalized the word after the semi-colon, you don't ever do that, unless it's normally capitalized) card gains that target’s effects until the End Phase. Once per turn:, (Nope, this is wrong, take a look at pretty much every card that activates with a once per turn, it needs to be like that) You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, then to (the then is intentional here, not fixing that) target 1 monster in your Graveyard; this card’s name, Ttype (Type is spelled with a capital T) and Aattribute (Attribute is also spelled with a capital A becomes (that's a flaw I make a lot, will fix) that target’s name, Ttype and Aattribute. This effect of “Gene Battler” can only activated once while this card is it's (no card uses your wording, look at Blizzard Falcon (the first one I could find on DN), that says it the way I did it) face-up on the field.

 

So only a misclick, and that I am not an expert at english, so I sometimes forget that it's become when talking about multiple things.

 

Anyway, I might put a no SS on it, and lower it to Level 4 or lower, and banish the card. Good enough? And yeah the image kinda sucks, I'll find another probably.

[NoshpalStefan]

Yeah, I think the restriction will work.

 

As for the OCG, I forgot that they recently changed most comma rules to semi-colon and colon rules, so my bad there.

 

The Type and Attribute thing, yes you are right, I forgot that types such as Thunder and Psychic are with a big T, whereas types as in card types (Monster, Spell, Trap) are with a low T.

 

However I think the then should be changed to to, I realize it's intentional as to not make it the cost but it just looks more natural for it to be with a to.

[forteller]

with all those changes the card still has a few good targets i think you can keep the lvl at 6 and add the other two limitations and it would be ok..unless im overlooking something again

[Zazubat]

Yeah, I think the restriction will work.

 

As for the OCG, I forgot that they recently changed most comma rules to semi-colon and colon rules, so my bad there.

 

The Type and Attribute thing, yes you are right, I forgot that types such as Thunder and Psychic are with a big T, whereas types as in card types (Monster, Spell, Trap) are with a low T.

 

However I think the then should be changed to to, I realize it's intentional as to not make it the cost but it just looks more natural for it to be with a to.

The "then" is another balancing factor, it does so card's that activate when sent to the Graveyard won't activate.

 

EDIT: Put new up. I also put some other restrictions on it as well. Now, I don't know for sure, but I'm quite sure that there gotta be other cards which steal monster effects in the Grave, and I have made this as least powerful as I posibly can without also making it unusable, so deal with it. And the image makes more sense, as it looks like a human and an elephant, and that goes with the name "Gene Battler"

[Strider Tigerwolf]

Let's dissect this thing:

 

Stats and Requirements:

Earth Beast-Warrior, Generic R4 Xyz, 2100/800. That is all rounds kind of nice. Lets see if its worth Summoning.

 

Effect:
When this card is Xyz Summoned: You can target 1 Level 4 monster in your Graveyard; This card gains that target’s effects until the End Phase, but you cannot activate other monster effects that activate on the field and you cannot Special Summon other monsters for the rest of this turn. Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, then target 1 monster in your Graveyard; this card’s name, Type and Attribute become that target’s name, Type and Attribute. This effect of “Gene Battler” can only activated once while this card is face-up on the field.

 

That is really really interesting. The first effect can miss timing, so unless you want it to miss timing, change the "When" to "If". The second effect is interesting as well. Becoming something it needs to fit a restriction, gain some form of advantage, etc, etc takes quite a mind to play. It's a very good card at doing what it does and takes a completely different mind set to utilize that most cards. Very unique, and very adorning. If anything, why not bump the ATK to 2200? That won't break the card, but it does increase its usability in combat a bit more, despite the fact that Fire Formations exist.

[Zazubat]

Let's dissect this thing:

 

Stats and Requirements:

Earth Beast-Warrior, Generic R4 Xyz, 2100/800. That is all rounds kind of nice. Lets see if its worth Summoning.

 

Effect:
When this card is Xyz Summoned: You can target 1 Level 4 monster in your Graveyard; This card gains that target’s effects until the End Phase, but you cannot activate other monster effects that activate on the field and you cannot Special Summon other monsters for the rest of this turn. Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, then target 1 monster in your Graveyard; this card’s name, Type and Attribute become that target’s name, Type and Attribute. This effect of “Gene Battler” can only activated once while this card is face-up on the field.

 

That is really really interesting. The first effect can miss timing, so unless you want it to miss timing, change the "When" to "If". The second effect is interesting as well. Becoming something it needs to fit a restriction, gain some form of advantage, etc, etc takes quite a mind to play. It's a very good card at doing what it does and takes a completely different mind set to utilize that most cards. Very unique, and very adorning. If anything, why not bump the ATK to 2200? That won't break the card, but it does increase its usability in combat a bit more, despite the fact that Fire Formations exist.

I can see where people are coming from, and I want to balance this the best, so the "when" will not be changed to "if". Also, are there any cards which Xyz Summon Rank 4 monsters? I only know of Rank-Ups, sooooo. Anyway, might increase the ATK to 2200, but since my intention with this card was for Bujin to use it (gaining the effect of Yamato/Susano'o, and the name so other cards in the Grave can use it) I didn't want to boost it too much, and yes FF will help this a lot, which is also why I kept it like that. But 2200 shouldn't hurt too much I think. About your OCG fix, yeah probably should be changed to that. Oh, and I see that I forgot to lowercase the "This". Oops. Thanks for the review anyway.

[forteller]

hmm this is intresting i found this

Any Battle Damage your opponent takes from battles involving this card becomes 0. Once per turn: You can target 1 Effect Monster in your Graveyard; banish that target, and if you do, until the End Phase, this card's name and ATK become that monster's name and ATK, and it gains that monster's effects. You must control this face-up card to activate and to resolve this effect.

 

i feel like this card provides intresting comparison compared to your card this card has twice as many targets and its only draw back is the monster itself cant do battle damage and it banishes.. at the same time this card actually uses deck space where as an Xyz is easier just to put into a deck

 

also i really like the new picture it is very fitting for the card.

[Zazubat]

hmm this is intresting i found this

Any Battle Damage your opponent takes from battles involving this card becomes 0. Once per turn: You can target 1 Effect Monster in your Graveyard; banish that target, and if you do, until the End Phase, this card's name and ATK become that monster's name and ATK, and it gains that monster's effects. You must control this face-up card to activate and to resolve this effect.

 

i feel like this card provides intresting comparison compared to your card this card has twice as many targets and its only draw back is the monster itself cant do battle damage and it banishes.. at the same time this card actually uses deck space where as an Xyz is easier just to put into a deck

 

also i really like the new picture it is very fitting for the card.

I most have forgotten about that card, I have used it before in my Evilswarm deck. I think I might give my card an attack clause instead, and remove the SS clause from it. Good idea? Is it still unbalanced if I do?

[forteller]

Hmm hard to say ill admit seeing this card makes me rethink some of the things i said in this topic seeing a this card hasnt been on any banned or limited list to my knowledge, but at the same tme no one has played this card card in our current meta , that said your card without the SS limitation would make lonefire and dragonfly too strong along with Infernity Mirage. i mean in our current meta Phatom of Chaos would probaly be broke if people actually made decks to abuse it it doesnt even have the lvl limitations that means Red eyes metal Judgement dragon all Syn's all fair targets. that said it seem having something to compare it to actually made it harder to balence im at a loss here sorry...