.codex Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 So what's the big deal? I mean, the only good thing this has over Goblindbergh is that it's dark, and if you really wish to, you can use Goblind with E-Dragons. It also has a Synchro restriction, so that sucks! Goblindbergh can also avoid the summoned monster to get destroyed by Bottomless Trap Hole as well (though it can also mess with their trigger effects at times), but it can be searched by RotA and The Warrior Returning Alive. And then there's Tin Goldfish, which is first of a Machine, so Geargia spam works, and second is WATER, so it can be added back with Salvage, and it doesn't make things miss timing. Again, it works with E-Dragons. So what's the fuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I think it's because you can Summon multiple of this guy at the same time. Correct me if I'm wrong about that. Oh, and you put the picture up twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 It's searchable by King Gremlin, It also doesn't cause things to miss timing. And it allows the monster to use an On-Normal Summons effects (See: Tin Goldfish). It's pretty darn great over a lot of the Marauding Captain-like monsters, AND can also be used to supplement them as well (See: Reptile Gadgets) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I think it's because you can Summon multiple of this guy at the same time. Correct me if I'm wrong about that. Oh, and you put the picture up twice. Trigger effects from hand that summon a monster are limited to once per chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 goblindergh causes things to miss timing. goblindergh only has one relevant search card (rota) while kagetokage has one on a 2300 body thats from the extra deck (so you dont even have to draw it) and comboes very nicely with decks that focus on spamming normal summons (ie gadgets, hunders). kagetokage also opens chaos options with his best pal, gentlooper (who is also searchable from king feral imp). the synchro restriction is absolutely meaningless because youre not using this or goblindergh as a synchro material to begin with. theyre cards from the xyz era. theyre for xyz. s: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Trigger effects from hand that summon a monster are limited to once per chain. Alright, I guess it doesn't have that. Then I have to agree with Codex, other options seem better, even if it's quite easy to Search with that Rank 4 searchers, but still, would you really want to go for that unless you really needed that card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Alright, I guess it doesn't have that. Then I have to agree with Codex, other options seem better, even if it's quite easy to Search with that Rank 4 searchers, but still, would you really want to go for that unless you really needed that card? you dont understand. any monster + kagetokage in hand becomes a 2300 and another kagetokage in hand to be dropped next turn. kagetokage in gadgets is amazing because you still get the search off of the gadget. golblindergh makes them miss timing. with kagetokage and gadgets you literally remove the natural minus for making an xyz. and you do it repeatedly. consistently. over several turns. goblindergh has exactly none of that. its clear that in the current cardpool one is clearly better than the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I use this in my Heraldic Beasts for lots of plusses with Leo. I suppose it's not quite as good as Gadgets, but Gadgets are too mainstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 you dont understand. any monster + kagetokage in hand becomes a 2300 and another kagetokage in hand to be dropped next turn. kagetokage in gadgets is amazing because you still get the search off of the gadget. golblindergh makes them miss timing. with kagetokage and gadgets you literally remove the natural minus for making an xyz. and you do it repeatedly. consistently. over several turns. goblindergh has exactly none of that. its clear that in the current cardpool one is clearly better than the other. I don't use Goblind, I use Tin Goldfish. Anyway, I can see your point, though Tin Goldfish is still a target for Geargia/Machina fun and E-Dragons. This doesn't run well in all Decks, though in Gadget and Chaos-like Decks it can work pretty well, and you would probably pick it over Tin Goldfish any day. It depends on which fits, and if anything, why not use both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I use this in my Heraldic Beasts for lots of plusses with Leo. I suppose it's not quite as good as Gadgets, but Gadgets are too mainstream. also owns in hunders and gives them chaos options with trag. its just super good. (y) I don't use Goblind, I use Tin Goldfish. Anyway, I can see your point, though Tin Goldfish is still a target for Geargia/Machina fun and E-Dragons. This doesn't run well in all Decks, though in Gadget and Chaos-like Decks it can work pretty well, and you would probably pick it over Tin Goldfish any day. It depends on which fits, and if anything, why not use both? :x but the point is were comparing GOBLINDERGH and KAGETOKAGE, because thats what the op is about. of course on their own tinplate is better than kagetokage. but in reptile gadgets you run both tinplate AND kagetokage, and kagetokage can work in other decks where tinplate is not as useful (again, hunders). please dont bring up an entirely separate thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.codex Posted May 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I didn't know there was an Xyz searcher. I suppose that makes it pretty good. But I can also see how you would want to use Tin Goldfish sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 also owns in hunders and gives them chaos options with trag. its just super good. (y) :mad: but the point is were comparing GOBLINDERGH and KAGETOKAGE, because thats what the op is about. of course on their own tinplate is better than kagetokage. but in reptile gadgets you run both tinplate AND kagetokage, and kagetokage can work in other decks where tinplate is not as useful (again, hunders). please dont bring up an entirely separate thing. OP mentioned both actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Well, the only real reason it's played over Goblindbergh is that it's searchable by King Feral Imp which is as good a reason as any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Well, the only real reason it's played over Goblindbergh is that it's searchable by King Feral Imp which is as good a reason as any. hmmm yes, thats literally the only reason, instead of the several others i also gave. s: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 hmmm yes, thats literally the only reason, instead of the several others i also gave. s: Well nobody would play either if King Feral Imp wasn't a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Well nobody would play either if King Feral Imp wasn't a thing. but i wouldnt play goblindergh if it were a reptile with king feral imp. that missed timing really blows. dont be obtuse s: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 but i wouldnt play goblindergh if it were a reptile with king feral imp. that missed timing really blows. dont be obtuse s: The missed timing is also helpful as means your opponent can't do stuff so the Summon. But for the most part Kage is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 The missed timing is also helpful as means your opponent can't do stuff so the Summon. But for the most part Kage is better. no, because in the terms of gadgets (and other monsters with optional on-summon effects, but mostly gadgets) it limits the utility of throwing extra monsters on the field. with kagetokage and gadgets you turn the inherent -1 of an xyz into a +0. and with feral imp you get more plusses. also, theyll just respond to goblindergh. thats not nearly enough of a positive to even consider goblindergh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 no, because in the terms of gadgets (and other monsters with optional on-summon effects, but mostly gadgets) it limits the utility of throwing extra monsters on the field. with kagetokage and gadgets you turn the inherent -1 of an xyz into a +0. and with feral imp you get more plusses. also, theyll just respond to goblindergh. thats not nearly enough of a positive to even consider goblindergh. I still stand by that Goblindbergh has it's uses. We can discuss this to the ends of time if we had to, but I don't really want to, and neither do you I'm pretty sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 It's searchable by King Gremlin and makes easy Rank 4's from the hand.That's all that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I still stand by that Goblindbergh has it's uses. We can discuss this to the ends of time if we had to, but I don't really want to, and neither do you I'm pretty sure. The only thing Goblind has over this is RotA. Goblind does what this does just in slight reverse, both end up with a monster and it on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Also you can Normal Summon Goblindbergh if you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Also you can Normal Summon Goblindbergh if you have to. I didn't even notice that you couldn't Normal Summon Kagetokage. That can become a problem if you happen to not be able to Normal, but you can Special a Level 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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