6412225 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I see what you're saying. I was trying to avoid the banishing aspect because it's the opposite of what lightsworn's goal is, but perhaps it's necessary. I will think about how to fix it and post it later. Thanks for your suggestions, I appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6412225 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 This involves all the changes I have listed in the comments up to 1/31/14 at around 6 PM (EST). The lore might be a bit off so if you want to revise it please post it in the comments. Again constructive criticism is welcome. For some reason I cannot post the new image. Sorry I'm still new at Card Creator, but all the changes from the first post are this: Lore: If this card is sent from the deck to the graveyard, and you have two more other Lightsworn monsters with different names in your graveyard you can activate this effect: Your opponent targets two cards in your graveyard besides this one: Banish them, and if you do, Special Summon this card from your graveyard. You can only activate this effect of, "Zado, the Lightsworn Wizard" once per duel. If this card is Summoned this way, It cannot be destroyed by it's controllers card effects. During each of your End Phases: Send the top 2 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard. You must control this face-up card to activate and to resolve this effect. ATK/ 1100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirur Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 This involves all the changes I have listed in the comments up to 1/31/14 at around 6 PM (EST). The lore might be a bit off so if you want to revise it please post it in the comments. Again constructive criticism is welcome. For some reason I cannot post the new image. Sorry I'm still new at Card Creator, but all the changes from the first post are this: Lore: If this card is sent from the deck to the graveyard, and you have two more other Lightsworn monsters with different names in your graveyard you can activate this effect: Your opponent targets two cards in your graveyard besides this one: Banish them, and if you do, Special Summon this card from your graveyard. You can only activate this effect of, "Zado, the Lightsworn Wizard" once per duel. If this card is Summoned this way, It cannot be destroyed by it's controllers card effects. During each of your End Phases: Send the top 2 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard. You must control this face-up card to activate and to resolve this effect. ATK/ 1100 The card is pretty bad now since it would just slow down Judgment Dragon... What you said before is true, Lightsworn never have the effect of banishing and it's totally off the archtype IMO. Why do you guys think this is so OP anyway, are you guys forgetting the new Felice, Lightsworn Archer? I don't think the card is going where it's suppouse to and if I were you I would not leave it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 The card is pretty bad now since it would just slow down Judgment Dragon... What you said before is true, Lightsworn never have the effect of banishing and it's totally off the archtype IMO. Why do you guys think this is so OP anyway, are you guys forgetting the new Felice, Lightsworn Archer? I don't think the card is going where it's suppouse to and if I were you I would not leave it like that. The card isn't overpowered now, but its previous versions were. Read the whole thread before commenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6412225 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 It's hard to find a balance between overpowered and watered-down. Right now I'm going to focus on my attention to other cards and work my way back to this again in a while. Maybe then will I find the balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirur Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 The card isn't overpowered now, but its previous versions were. Read the whole thread before commenting. I did read and it was overpowered but now it stinks. I mean why would someone Summon this when they can go for Judgment Dragon or use Lumina to abuse the graveyard.. I mean banishing Lightsworn is way off from their effect and just because it was overpowered doesn't mean it's now balanced... it now sucks and thats a fact! I would suggest only being able to Special Summon him when he is sent from the Deck to Graveyard (like Wulf and Felice are) or at least requiring more Lightsworns with different names in graveyard.. something like that.. but banishing? pshhh that sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I did read and it was overpowered but now it stinks. I mean why would someone Summon this when they can go for Judgment Dragon or use Lumina to abuse the graveyard.. I mean banishing Lightsworn is way off from their effect and just because it was overpowered doesn't mean it's now balanced... it now sucks and thats a fact! I would suggest only being able to Special Summon him when he is sent from the Deck to Graveyard (like Wulf and Felice are) or at least requiring more Lightsworns with different names in graveyard.. something like that.. but banishing? pshhh that sucks! Part of the idea is they can make JD after summoning this, this will survive, and thats an added 1100 to JD's subsequent post-nuke direct attack. If you wouldn't run this that's cool. I think (and I dont, never have, and never plan on playing Lightsworns) that this would be fairly decent depending on the LS build. Sure, he banishes some and that's unfortunate, but seriously? How hard is it for LS's to replace those monsters? It isnt, is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirur Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Part of the idea is they can make JD after summoning this, this will survive, and thats an added 1100 to JD's subsequent post-nuke direct attack. If you wouldn't run this that's cool. I think (and I dont, never have, and never plan on playing Lightsworns) that this would be fairly decent depending on the LS build. Sure, he banishes some and that's unfortunate, but seriously? How hard is it for LS's to replace those monsters? It isnt, is the answer. It would slow down Lightsworn so much it would probably be over and some Lightsworns now at days are using a lot of chaos dragons so banishing 2 Lightsworns with different names? Hahaha yeah buddy that sucks big time and also (and this is a big deal imo) it is way off on the Lightsworns Archtype effects, all of them rely on graveyard and love to send cards to the graveyard but never ever banishing. Also this JD combo is not as awesome as it sounds.. I think the easier it is for this guy getting Special Summoned then the better he is. Of course this is all my opinion. Also for those of you who actualy play this game competitive, do you remember which is one of the deadliest cards against them? D.D. Crow - I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMegamanlan Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Once per duel right...hmmm don't Blackwings have a similar card....and isn't that card EXTREMELY POWERFUL and had to be limited to ONE. this one is MUCH easier to get to because it is much easier to mill than draw in this format so pretty much you would be hitting this eff T1 and 95 percent of the time hitting this card T2 or T3 meaning either XYZ or SYN almost never beat stick people don't beat stick with 1900 on T1 anymore people beat stick with 2600's on T1 making its extra attack poinys unnecessary and making 1900 to 2000 atk for a four star monster mean nothing. It should have around 1500 atk at the most in my humble opinion. It was never limited. It has a requirement that you can only the effect of one Zeyphros the Elite per game. That means even if you have three, you can't use the effect more then once even if you have more then one. This has the same limitation. In fact Zeyphros is a good card to play in Lightsworn because its easy to Special Summon. But this card has that limitation, so yes it is once per game regardless of copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMegamanlan Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Anyway, to the actual card. The condition to Summon is troublesome, as it completely helps the deck without any actual downsides. (Most good Lightsworn decks I've played has something to pull things they want from the Graveyard) and while I agree that it shouldn't be 1900 beater, it should be stronger then 1500. The reason why Zeyphros was 1600 was because they didnt want it getting Searched by either Shura or Mystic Tomato. This should also be like that. Otherwise, I'd put a cost on the protection so it's not going to make JD even more OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Read original poster's last post. :) Anyway, to the actual card. The condition to Summon is troublesome, as it completely helps the deck without any actual downsides. (Most good Lightsworn decks I've played has something to pull things they want from the Graveyard) and while I agree that it shouldn't be 1900 beater, it should be stronger then 1500. The reason why Zeyphros was 1600 was because they didnt want it getting Searched by either Shura or Mystic Tomato. This should also be like that. Otherwise, I'd put a cost on the protection so it's not going to make JD even more OP. This involves all the changes I have listed in the comments up to 1/31/14 at around 6 PM (EST). The lore might be a bit off so if you want to revise it please post it in the comments. Again constructive criticism is welcome. For some reason I cannot post the new image. Sorry I'm still new at Card Creator, but all the changes from the first post are this: Lore: If this card is sent from the deck to the graveyard, and you have two more other Lightsworn monsters with different names in your graveyard you can activate this effect: Your opponent targets two cards in your graveyard besides this one: Banish them, and if you do, Special Summon this card from your graveyard. You can only activate this effect of, "Zado, the Lightsworn Wizard" once per duel. If this card is Summoned this way, It cannot be destroyed by it's controllers card effects. During each of your End Phases: Send the top 2 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard. You must control this face-up card to activate and to resolve this effect. ATK/ 1100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Milenko Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Yeah, it's always gonna be broken. Make it 5 other Lightsworns, and make it so that during the turn you use the effect, you can only summon Lightsworns. that's all I can really think of to balance it (sorta). And LOL Zephyros is not limited you noobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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