SANDAA BORUTO Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 So I was dueling this Plant Synchro dude with my Herald Agents. I had this and a Jackpot 7 set, he had already Dust Tornadoed one. I attack his Gigaplant with Dark Mist, and he chains Wall of Thorns! If I didn't have my SLR set at that time, I most likely would have lost the duel. So yeah, this card saved me. And yet it doesn't see much play due to Heavyless format and all that. We all know what it does, so discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Competition between this and Huge Revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Not meta-relevant right now because only a couple of decks make 8s and even then there's not much that'll trigger this in the meta match-up. Maybe, like, Icarus Attack and Mirror Force. Could see some play next format though, what with Double Cyclone and Malevolent Catastrophe being played in multiples by Artifacts, and Harpies likely seeing a resurgence come August when/if we get the Field Spell rule. Granted, they can just chain again and pop the card that you Road so you don't get the summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 The real reason it's not meta-relevant is because it's not a consistent counter card. We do still have things like Dark Hole and Torrential, with the occasional Mirror Force or Exciton Knight, but we don't have other major meta nuke threats. Fire Fists, D-Rulers, Prophecy, etc don't use mass destruction. Popping cards one at a time is much more commonplace, and this card is dead unless two of your cards are simultaneously being threatened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Even Dark Hole and Torrential (and Compulsory, though not relevant here) have actually been dropped from a fair amount of topping builds solely because losing field presence you already established that the opponent can't get over anyway is a minus. Extra Deck space is incredibly tight in Fire Fists, Mermails, Geargiakuri, Infernity and Hieratic Rulers, and even tier 2 like Bujins, Madolche, Noble Knights and Dark World just don't have the space to blow on Stardust for a one-of card that likely will never get activated all of Day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 When Heavy was around I'd run 1 of this and 1 Dark Bribe in my backrow heavy decks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Even Dark Hole and Torrential (and Compulsory, though not relevant here) have actually been dropped from a fair amount of topping builds solely because losing field presence you already established that the opponent can't get over anyway is a minus. Extra Deck space is incredibly tight in Fire Fists, Mermails, Geargiakuri, Infernity and Hieratic Rulers, and even tier 2 like Bujins, Madolche, Noble Knights and Dark World just don't have the space to blow on Stardust for a one-of card that likely will never get activated all of Day 1. I daresay TT will always be lurking in most decks. Dark Hole too, but I'd still say TT first. CED is important to, but... I love this card and all, but it became heavily outdated. The road of Starlight is a seldom-walked one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I daresay TT will always be lurking in most decks. Dark Hole too, but I'd still say TT first. CED is important to, but... I love this card and all, but it became heavily outdated. The road of Starlight is a seldom-walked one. True, Torrential is most common. Mermails don't run Dark Hole anymore, same with most Fire Fists, Geargia, Inzektors, Fire Kings and Hieratics, though most of those mainboard Torrential except for Mermails. That's around 95% of the meta that doesn't run Dark Hole, and sometimes drops Torrential when you look at the top tables. Infernity doesn't run either of them for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 True, Torrential is most common. Mermails don't run Dark Hole anymore, same with most Fire Fists, Geargia, Inzektors, Fire Kings and Hieratics, though most of those mainboard Torrential except for Mermails. That's around 95% of the meta that doesn't run Dark Hole, and sometimes drops Torrential when you look at the top tables. Infernity doesn't run either of them for obvious reasons. I'm sorry, but I'm just laughing a bit too hard. But I haven't seen enough meta builds to agree or disagree with you yet. Dark Hole is a OTK enabler, so I don't get why it seems to be going down in popularity. Although half these decks OTK on their own, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I'm sorry, but I'm just laughing a bit too hard. But I haven't seen enough meta builds to agree or disagree with you yet. Dark Hole is a OTK enabler, so I don't get why it seems to be going down in popularity. Although half these decks OTK on their own, so... Uh, just look at Atlanta and Berlin. Atlanta started the trend. Then, at Berlin, a majority of the top 32 didn't run Dark Hole. Mermails make up at least 25-37.5% of the tops (depending on if you look at top 32 or top 16) this format overall, same with Fire Fists which make up closer to 33-45% depending on the event and what cut you look at. Geargia, Fire Kings, Hieratics, Inzektors, Infernity and Dark World make up almost the entirety of the rest of the tops this format save for the random Bujin/Madolche/Noble Knight that makes it to top 32 and then loses steam. Dark Hole lost popularity among most players at the top tables, and in most of the top local metas in the world (see: Southern California, Philadelphia, Rome, Paris, Dallas and Chicago) due to it being a poor topdeck and a dead draw when in a position of established field advantage. Torrential lost some popularity, though it was mostly Mermail decks that dropped it from the main. The reason Torrential is vastly superior to Dark Hole and still sees play is that you can use it to disrupt plays, whereas Dark Hole can only be used to respond to them after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Fire Fists, Geargiakuri, and Hieratic Rulers These are irrelevant because they all play Stardust anyway (well actually I don't know how Stardust is used in US but in Europe it's still used in all of those decks. You're right in what you're saying though although I don't see many decks not running Torrential atm. Having said that, use of Mirror Force is increasing so I suppose that kinda balances out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 The real reason it's not meta-relevant is because it's not a consistent counter card. We do still have things like Dark Hole and Torrential, with the occasional Mirror Force or Exciton Knight, but we don't have other major meta nuke threats. Fire Fists, D-Rulers, Prophecy, etc don't use mass destruction. Popping cards one at a time is much more commonplace, and this card is dead unless two of your cards are simultaneously being threatened. Um.... World? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 These are irrelevant because they all play Stardust anyway (well actually I don't know how Stardust is used in US but in Europe it's still used in all of those decks. You're right in what you're saying though although I don't see many decks not running Torrential atm. Having said that, use of Mirror Force is increasing so I suppose that kinda balances out. No one uses Synchros in Fire Fists anymore. The 3-3-1 build is too consistent. I don't think anyone has used the Synchro build since the first YCS of the format. Geargia still uses Stardust, and Hieratics do too but they rarely go into it. Usually a competent Hieratic player will check game 1, if they have the OTK they'll go all in with it, if they don't think they can OTK and they have a shitty hand they'll scoop so they can go to game 2 without being sided against and call 2nd. Rarely do they go into anything other than Atum/Volca/GaiaCharger/M7/StarEater except if they get Veilered, I've even seen them drop stuff like Stardust for more OTK recovery in the Extra because everyone just runs Labradorites and skips the smaller tuners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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