Tentacruel Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Because 420YOLO. And just to preface, I declare myself neutral, I am now Switzerland. So discuss. If anyone is hazy on it, basically: Allegedly 1) Various websites gave good review scores to Depression Quest, and the reviewers failed to mention that the developer, Zoe Quinn, knew them on a fairly personal level. 2) This is known because her ex cried about her cheating on him with, allegedly, five different people, all of which are involved in games media. 3) Zoe Quinn did receive harassment earlier in regards to making the game Depression Quest. 4) A bunch of Game Journalists have some private chatroom where they allegedly conspire to do things. Now, a bunch of people, in response, form #GamerGate on twitter to either A) Enforce higher standards of ethics in game journalism. B) Drive women out of the industry. C) Both/Neither This was met with websites the mass deleting of any discussion of it, including but not limited to: Various gaming subreddits 4chan Since then, a ton of little things have happened, I'll try to post some of them. One of the biggest sub-things, is the #notyourshield hashtag. http://youtu.be/tzwGIHUCtjU Started by Oliver Campbell, who was allegedly fired because of this. There have also been allegations that people using #notyourshield have been sockpuppets, or in other words, white males pretending to be female, black etc. Gamergate has emailed various sponsors of websites such as Gamasutra, with varying degrees of success. And the rest of it has been basically a bunch of insults and character assassination on twitter and people threatening to murder each other. The main places of discussion. For: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/ Against: http://www.reddit.com/r/gamerghazi Also, if you feel something in this post was not objective enough, fuck you I'm Switzerland let me know. DISUCSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I'm just going to say right now, before this thread gets out of hand, to check yourselves before you do something atrociously stupid. That is all. As for me, I think the entire thing is far too overblown, and that none of it [i]really matters[/i]. Those who do care, honestly, are getting worked up over nothing. Zoe Quinn feels like a bit of a victim in the whole thing. Where is the proof against her cheating and sleeping with people? Is it all just hearsay? Are those who have taken down the negative discussions just trying to protect an innocent game designer? God forbid that a woman create a good game that gets decent reviews without using her body. I've avoided this topic like the plague, and I still intend to do so. I feel like it creates a meaningless rift in the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 a meaningless rift in the community. The entire thing summed up IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I definitely feel the same way as you two do. I'm honestly tired of it. Felicia Days' thought piece summed it up best for me: she sees two young guys wearing Halo t-shirts walking towards her on the street, so she crosses the road to avoid them. Perhaps on another day, she would have said hello and had a chat about mutual interests. Now, there's just, as said, a meaningless rift in the community. Ethics in gaming journalism and feminism in the game industry are worthwhile topics to talk about, but Gamergate is pretty much not about that anymore (and arguably never about that in the first place). It's non sequiturs and accusations being thrown around like blue shells on Rainbow Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I've made a real effort to stay out of this topic up to now. This has a lot of place to go wrong, so I just wanna caution anyone who posts, please think about what you say before you say it. I don't think most people on YCM would go overboard, but it's never too safe. Like Lunar and Rai, when I first heard about it all I could think is that it makes a pointless rift in the gaming "community" which is already FULL of pointless rifts. The gaming "community" has never felt like the most solid thing to me, and this is just more trouble on an already unstable pile of dirt. x-x The thing Rai referenced from Felicia Day is one of my favorite posts concerning Gamergate. If you haven't read it, try to look it up. I don't have the link on me right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I only have one thing to say about this. #notyourshield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsen Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Can someone in detail explain to me why this wasn't passed over and why fucks are being given in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Despite the radical nature of how radical feminists use their arguments against #Gamergate, it has extended itself pretty far beyond what is expected. #Gamergate itself is not 100% benevolent, but there's a combined factor of ignorance and logical reasoning thrown in. Feminists would usually find this as a big opportunity, or at least a big segway to get their opinions in, and they are very persistent in keeping up their pride and beliefs, and #Gamergate is also pretty defendant. I have actually done some insight into the topic for an informative speech, and like Rai said, the fact that the issue of gaming journalism ethics is being challenged is more worthy to debate upon than rambling about negatives about both sides. There's much more interesting opinion to see about how gaming is protruded in articles and journalism in general. Eventually people are going to get tired of this s**t, wondering what they were really fighting for, until the point some people deviate from their original ideas or radicals appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Can someone in detail explain to me why this wasn't passed over and why fucks are being given in general? IMO It was more of a trigger for people with conflicting idealogies to throw shit at each other. For instance one very important thing I forgot was that multiple games media sites posted articles declaring "gamers are dead" or some variation stating that gamer as an identity was over. A lot of people were already bitter towards journalists. But yeah, to be honest I think the whole thing is incredibly petty and people need to chill and reivaluate themselves before sending death threats to someone on the other "side." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 IMO It was more of a trigger for people with conflicting idealogies to throw s*** at each other. For instance one very important thing I forgot was that multiple games media sites posted articles declaring "gamers are dead" or some variation stating that gamer as an identity was over. A lot of people were already bitter towards journalists. But yeah, to be honest I think the whole thing is incredibly petty and people need to chill and reivaluate themselves before sending death threats to someone on the other "side." but but Death threats are fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I don't care. I don't talk about it. I avoid it. It can go die in a fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 but but Death threats are fun. Death threats are, in no way, shape, or form, fun. If you have something along the lines of this to say, please feel free to keep it to yourself. It's both spam and insensitive to people who have felt actual fear when receiving a death threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsen Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 So basically pent up shit finding a release with the chick's game dealio? Lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted December 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Death threats are, in no way, shape, or form, fun. If you have something along the lines of this to say, please feel free to keep it to yourself. It's both spam and insensitive to people who have felt actual fear when receiving a death threat. Maybe I'm just really naive, but I'm pretty sure he's being cynical/sarcastic. I say shit like that all the time. Then again he could just be an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Maybe I'm just really naive, but I'm pretty sure he's being cynical/sarcastic. I say s*** like that all the time. Then again he could just be an a******. It was sarcastic. That said, I am an asshole too, but gaming is serious business for me, so I'd never be an asshole in regards to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Relevant: https://twitter.com/Charalanahzard/status/538144080534847489/photo/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted December 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Relevant: https://twitter.com/Charalanahzard/status/538144080534847489/photo/1 I'm actually not sure I agree it's all that relevant, but it's easily the funniest response to threats I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 The thing is: Alanah Pearce is a game reviewer being attacked by people because she is a girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Does GamerGate even have a direction? Apparently, the movement is about enforcing ethics in gaming journalism, but now Some are using the movement to harass and dox women who give their 2 cents Some are using it to go to war with those Social Justice nobodies on tumblr Some are using it to go to war with feminists, and are too stupid to realize that they're only empowering these women to troll harder. And, some are using it to make money off ad revenue. And, why just gaming journalism when all journalism is just as bad? Why not fight against all media bias? I think I'll just be a gamer and play games without the burden of pointless internet politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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