Cirrus Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Yes, I am aware that some of the Spiritual Arts are bordering on ridiculous /upon first read/. However, I feel their actual brokenness warrants playtesting ... I dunno. I am honestly more afraid of their abuse by other decks. This has been an effort to make the Charmers playable in this day and age of Qliphort, Burning Abyss, Necloth, and what have you. I'm not sure it succeeded but I tried.A rather concerted campaign was made to reduce consistency by deck-searching. It should be noted however that this card exists and was singlehandedly the reason for me writing up all these.Pictures to come soon™. Possibly never as I am very lazy. [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]疾風精霊使いウィン Spirit Charmer of Gales, Wynn Level 4 - WIND - Spellcaster/Effect - 1700 ATK/1500 DEF If this card would be Tributed for the cost of a "Spiritual Art" card: You can return it to your hand instead. When this card is Normal Summoned: You can destroy a WIND monster you control or discard a "Charmer" or "Familiar" card from your hand; destroy 1 Spell or Trap card your opponent controls. [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]憑依装着の狂嵐妃－ウィン Familiar-Possessed Tempest Queen, Wynn Level 6 - WIND - Spellcaster/Effect - 2300 ATK/1500 DEF You can Special Summon this card (from your hand) by returning a level 4 or lower WIND Spellcaster-Type monster you control to its owner's hand. When this card is Special Summoned: Return 1 monster your opponent controls to its owner's hand. When this card destroys a monster your opponent controls by battle: You can add 1 "Charmer" or "Familiar" monster from your Deck to your hand, except "Familiar-Possessed Tempest Queen, Wynn". [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]震地精霊使いアウス Spirit Charmer of Earthquakes, Aussa Level 4 - EARTH - Spellcaster/Effect - 1800 ATK/1500 DEF If this card would be Tributed for the cost of a "Spiritual Art" card: You can return it to your hand instead. If this card is sent to the Graveyard: You can add 1 level 4 or lower EARTH monster or 1 "Charmer" or "Familiar" card from your Graveyard to your hand, except "Spirit Charmer of Earthquakes, Aussa". [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]憑依装着の崩岩妃－アウス Familiar-Possessed Rockslide Queen, Aussa Level 6 - EARTH - Spellcaster/Effect - 2400 ATK/1500 DEF You can Special Summon this card (from your hand) by returning a level 4 or lower EARTH Spellcaster-Type monster you control to its owner's hand. When this card is Special Summoned: Destroy 1 Set card your opponent controls. When this card is destroyed by an opponent's card (either by battle or by card effect) and sent to the Graveyard: You can Special Summon from your Graveyard in Attack Position or face-down Defense Position, 1 "Charmer" or "Familiar" monster, except "Familiar-Possessed Rockslide Queen, Aussa". [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]焦炎精霊使いヒータ Spirit Charmer of Infernos, Hiita Level 4 - FIRE - Spellcaster/Effect - 1900 ATK/1500 DEF If this card would be Tributed for the cost of a "Spiritual Art" card: You can return it to your hand instead. During either player's turn, if a card was sent to your opponent's Graveyard this turn: You can banish 1 card from your opponent's Graveyard, then if it was a monster, inflict 200 x its level or Rank points of damage to your opponent. This effect can only be used once while this card is face-up on the field. [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]憑依装着の爆焔妃－ヒータ Familiar-Possessed Eruption Queen, Hiita Level 6 - FIRE - Spellcaster/Effect - 2500 ATK/1500 DEF You can Special Summon this card (from your hand) by returning a level 4 or lower FIRE Spellcaster-Type monster you control to its owner's hand. When this card is Special Summoned: If your opponent took damage this turn, look at your opponent's hand, then banish 1 monster from their hand. When this card inflicts Battle Damage to your opponent: You can discard 1 "Charmer" or "Familiar" monster; inflict damage to your opponent equal to half the ATK of the monster discarded. [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]汐水精霊使いエリア Spirit Charmer of Tides, Eria Level 4 - WATER - Spellcaster/Effect - 1600 ATK/1500 DEF If this card would be Tributed for the cost of a "Spiritual Art" card: You can return it to your hand instead. When this card is Summoned or flipped face-up: Until the End Phase, WATER or Spellcaster monsters you control cannot be destroyed by battle or by card effects. If this card is flipped face-up: All "Charmer" and "Familiar" monsters you control gain 500 ATK and DEF. [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]憑依装着の飛雪妃－エリア Familiar-Possessed Blizzard Queen, Eria Level 6 - WATER - Spellcaster/Effect - 2200 ATK/1500 DEF You can Special Summon this card (from your hand) by returning a level 4 or lower WATER Spellcaster-Type monster you control to its owner's hand. When this card is Special Summoned: You can choose up to 2 other monsters you control, then draw that many cards and destroy them. When this card is added to your hand, either by an effect or drawing: You can banish it face-up until your next Standby Phase; until the beginning of your opponent's next End Phase, "Charmer" and "Familiar" monsters you control gain 1000 ATK. [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]極光精霊使いライナ Spirit Charmer of Auroras, Lyna Level 4 - LIGHT - Spellcaster/Effect - 1750 ATK/1500 DEF If this card would be Tributed for the cost of a "Spiritual Art" card: You can return it to your hand instead, also the activation and effect of that card cannot be negated. You can banish a LIGHT monster or "Charmer" or "Familiar" card from your Graveyard; add it to your hand during your next Standby Phase, and if it's a monster, you can Special Summon it instead. This effect can only be used once while this card is face-up on the field. [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]憑依装着の皓耀妃－ライナ Familiar-Possessed Shining Queen, Lyna Level 6 - LIGHT - Spellcaster/Effect - 2400 ATK/1500 DEF You can Special Summon this card (from your hand) by returning a level 4 or lower LIGHT Spellcaster-Type monster you control to its owner's hand monster to your hand. When this card is Special Summoned: You can Tribute it to banish 1 monster your opponent controls. If this card is banished: Negate the effects of all monsters your opponent controls, also you can banish up to 2 cards from your opponent's Graveyard. [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]影闇精霊使いダルク Spirit Charmer of Shadows, Dharc Level 4 - DARK - Spellcaster/Effect - 1750 ATK/1500 DEF If this card would be Tributed for the cost of a "Spiritual Art" card: You can return it to your hand instead, also the activation and effect of that card cannot be negated. When this card is Normal Summoned: You can banish 1 DARK monster or "Charmer" or "Familiar" card from your hand; draw 1 card. [spoiler=" "] [/spoiler]憑依装着の永夜王－ダルク Familiar-Possessed Nocturne King, Dharc Level 6 - DARK - Spellcaster/Effect - 2400 ATK/1500 DEF You can Special Summon this card (from your hand) by returning a level 4 or lower DARK Spellcaster-Type monster you control to its owner's hand. When this card is Special Summoned: You can choose up to 2 banished cards you own; return them to your Graveyard, then inflict 500 points of damage to your opponent for each card returned this way. Once per turn, during your opponent's turn: You can destroy 1 monster your opponent controls with DEF less than or equal to the ATK of another "Charmer" or "Familiar" monster you control.憑依実質 Familiar Essence Level 3 - LIGHT - Spellcaster/Tuner - 500 ATK/1200 DEF Cannot be used as a Synchro Material, except for the Synchro Summon of a Spellcaster-Type monster. If this card is used as a Synchro Material, it may be treated as any one other Attribute. Once per turn: You can increase or decrease this card's level by 1. When this card is Normal Summoned or flipped face-up: You can target 1 Level 3 or 4 "Charmer" or "Familiar-Possessed" monster in your Graveyard: Special Summon it in face-up Defense position, but its effects are negated. 憑依装着の預言者 Familiar-Possessed Prophet Level 6 - DARK - Spellcaster/Synchro - 2100 ATK/1200 DEF 1 Spellcaster-Type Tuner + 1 or more "Charmer" or "Familiar" non-Tuner Monsters Cannot be destroyed by battle. Once per turn: You can Tribute 1 monster you control; take control of a monster that your opponent controls with the same Attribute, until the End Phase.精霊使いの四賢 Four Sages of the Spirit Charmers Level 7 - WIND - Spellcaster/Synchro - 2000 ATK/1600 DEF 1 Tuner + 1 or more Spellcaster-Type non-Tuner Monsters The Attribute of this card is also treated as WATER, FIRE, and EARTH. When this card is Synchro Summoned: Draw a card for each Attribute among other monsters you control. This card gains 200 ATK for each face-up "Charmer" or "Familiar" monster you control. 精霊使いの大学者 Great Scholar of the Spirit Charmers Level 8 - LIGHT - Spellcaster/Synchro - 2800 ATK/1500 DEF 1 Spellcaster-Type Tuner + 1 or more "Charmer" or "Familiar" non-Tuner Monsters The Attribute of this card is also treated as DARK. When this card is Synchro Summoned: Return up to 1 "Charmer" or "Familiar" card from your Graveyard to your hand and up to 1 "Spiritual Art" card from your Graveyard to your hand. When a "Spiritual Art" or "Familiar" Spell or Trap card is activated: Choose and activate one of the following effects: Draw 1 card, then discard 1 card. Banish 1 monster you control and 1 monster your opponent controls. Choose 1 Set Spell or Trap card your opponent controls. It cannot be activated as long as this card is face-up on the field. 精霊使いの双星 Twin Stars of the Spirit Charmers Level 10 - LIGHT - Spellcaster/Synchro - 2900 ATK/2600 DEF 1 Spellcaster-Type Tuner monster + 1 or more "Charmer" or "Familiar" non-Tuner monsters When this card is Summoned or flipped face-up: Choose 2 other Attributes; the Attribute of this card is also treated as those Attributes. This card is treated as 2 Tributes for the activation and effect of a "Spiritual Art" card. When this card is Synchro Summoned: Target up to 2 cards your opponent controls; banish them, then draw cards equal to the number of Attributes among them shared by this card. Once per turn, during either player's Main Phase: You can Tribute 1 monster; destroy 1 card your opponent controls, and if you do, draw 1 card. 三重霊術ー「花月華」 Triplicate Spiritual Art - Kagetsuka Quick-Play Spell Tribute up to three monsters you control. Apply the following effects, based on the number and Attributes of the monsters Tributed: WATER: Target a number of monsters on the field equal to the number of monsters Tributed; change those targets to either face-up Attack Position or face-down Defense Position. LIGHT: Target face-up monsters your opponent controls equal to the number of monsters Tributed; their ATK and DEF are reduced to 0 until end of turn, and their effects are negated. EARTH: Target cards on the field equal to the number of monsters Tributed; this turn, they cannot be destroyed and are unaffected by other card effects. 三重霊術ー「焔竜巻」 Triplicate Spiritual Art - Enryuuken Quick-Play Spell Tribute up to three monsters you control. Apply the following effects, based on the number and Attributes of the monsters Tributed: FIRE: Target 1 monster your opponent controls; destroy it, and if you do, inflict damage to your opponent equal to half the destroyed monster's ATK on the field a number of times equal to the number of monsters Tributed. DARK: Draw cards equal to the number of monsters Tributed, then discard the same number of cards. WIND: Shuffle a number of cards your opponent controls into the deck at random equal to the number of monsters Tributed. 双子霊術ー「火暴」 Twinned Spiritual Art - Kobaku Normal Spell Tribute, from your hand or your side of the field, 2 monsters in any combination of FIRE or WIND. Choose up to 3 cards your opponent controls, then return all monsters among those cards to your opponent's hand and destroy the remainder. Cards or effects cannot be chained to the activation and resolution of this card.双子霊術ー「燃氷」 Twinned Spiritual Art - Nenhyou Normal Spell Tribute, from your hand or your side of the field, 2 monsters in any combination of WATER or FIRE. Until your next Draw Phase, your opponent cannot Normal or Special Summon Effect Monsters, and cannot play or Set Spell or Trap Cards. This card can only be activated at the start of Main Phase 1.双子霊術ー「落雪」 Twinned Spiritual Art - Rakusetsu Normal Trap Tribute, from your hand or your side of the field, 2 monsters in any combination of WATER or EARTH. Change all monsters your opponent controls to face-down Defense Position, then banish 1 monster your opponent controls face-down. Until the beginning of your opponent's next End Phase, monsters your opponent controls cannot change their battle positions.双子霊術ー「鳴砂」 Twinned Spiritual Art - Meisha Normal Trap Tribute, from your hand or your side of the field, 2 monsters in any combination of WIND or EARTH. Declare either Spell Cards or Trap Cards, then look at all cards in your opponent's hand and your opponent's Spell & Trap Card Zones. Destroy up to 2 cards of the selected Type at random, and if you do, draw cards equal to the number of cards destroyed.双子霊術ー「薄明」 Twinned Spiritual Art - Hakumei Normal Spell Tribute, from your hand or your side of the field, 3 monsters in any combination of LIGHT or DARK. Banish all face-up or face-down cards your opponent controls.憑依返還 Familiar Restoration Normal Spell Choose 1 monster you control or reveal 1 monster from your hand. Add 1 "Charmer" monster from your Deck or your Graveyard to your hand with the same Attribute. 精霊使いの故里 Haven of the Spirit Charmers Field Spell Once per turn, this card cannot be destroyed by card effects. You have no maximum hand size. Once per turn, during either player's turn: 1 monster you control becomes an Attribute of your choice, then if it's your turn, apply the following effects based on the number of Attributes among monsters you control: 2 Attributes: Draw 1 card. 3 Attributes: Target 1 card your opponent controls; negate its effects until the End Phase. 4 Attributes: Gain 1000 Life Points. 5 Attributes: Add 1 "Familiar" or "Charmer" monster from your Graveyard to your hand. 6 Attributes: You can send this card to the Graveyard, and if you do, destroy all cards your opponent controls.精霊使いの集合 Gathering of the Spirit Charmers Normal Trap Special Summon any number of level 4 or lower "Charmer" or "Familiar-Possessed" monsters from your hand, but send them to the Graveyard during the End Phase.憑依霊術ー「復」 Familiar Spiritual Art - Mata Normal Spell Tribute 1 "Charmer" or "Familiar" monster you control; return 1 "Charmer" or "Spiritual Art" card from your Graveyard to your hand, except "Familiar Spiritual Art - Mata". I guess I should have something down here too, eh. [spoiler="Additional Support"]Arcanite is the most notable. Familiar Essence is a 1-card Arcanite Magician, and it is much more effective than simply blindly summoning Four Sages (which is much better if your board is more developed and / or you can take advantage of it with other cards). Fuh-Rin-Ka-Zan is instantly live with Four Sages on board. Otherwise, generic Spellcaster support is moderately effective. Miracle Synchro Fusion into Supreme Arcanite comes to mind. Of course the original Spiritual Art cards are good too; probably Aoi and Miyabi are the best ones since they are free if you manage to either have the right baby Charmer or have a Field and any baby Charmer out. Maintaining field advantage can be difficult, however. Greed and Hijiri are designed to be used with Dharc and Lyna, and in fact Greed is a straight up +1 if those conditions are fulfilled.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirrus Posted December 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Fwoosh. Title change, some clarity / technical edits (pls go home smartquotes). Looking for opinions. EDIT: ... Oh dear. Should this have been in Casual Designs instead? I'm not sure how the dichotomy works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirrus Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Nobody loves Charmers. rip in pepperonis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirrus Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Please C&C I'm dying over here wynn-chan is my favourite card so why is it worse than aussa augh why is aussa so good anyway idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirrus Posted December 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 the lack of C&Cs is disappointing. also revised some text and added Twin Stars. significantly buffed Familiar Restoration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Charmers...... It's been a while. Last time I saw these was in October when someone ran these with Clear World for a hilarious Stun Deck. The problem with Charmers is that they are all of different attributes, which really clogs down the synergy. However, Magical Mallet and Reload are cards. This attempts to fix some of the main problems, and so far I dig the approach: From the monsters, it seems like there's a solid engine going that is esque of Monarchs with their effects. These effects not only provide some neat disruption that goes for the traditional Charmer fashion of attribute power, but a few also gives various support to other Decks. Hiita's first form would be a decent side card in Volcanics, disrupting Decks like BA that constant use their Graveyard. Eria provides a solid draw engine and makes that Fortune Lady D Ruler Deck sound viable again. Lyna is almost a LIGHT Diamond Dude while her upgrade leaves room for some decent negation and devastating banishing that also lets you fill up your Graveyard, which in Lightsworns makes good for your Diablos plays, banish Lyna, then shut everything down. As a TeleDAD/MaskeDAD player, Dharc would be a staple in my Deck, allowing you continue your Rank 4 plays while turning your dead cards into extra draws for a second Plaguespreader bounce after Lavalval Chain sends it to the Grave, resulting in a satisfying Double Void Ogre play that'll wreck Nekroz. Cards like Wynn and Aussa tend to go more for the Charmer Deck itself, which fantastically make the Deck an actual thing outside of Familiars Released. The Synchros are fantastic, and I can imagine the plays already. The Level 10 is just bonkers, but considering what it would take to get it out, is a card that has a good price to it. Speaking of which, that tuner is just so flexible, and leaves so many opportunities and combos. Unfortunately, in the long run, outside of Gathering they seem a bit slow to get out since you only get 1 Normal Summon. It's the same thing that Monarchs run into where you only get 1 effect per turn when your up against a field of monsters, etc. As for the Spirirual Art spells, it's obvious there will be some crazy things going on. In particular, you have to be worried about Qlis because, as we all know, they get effects when tributed. As a result, I'm not quite sure how I feel about Rakasetsu. However, the rest seem fine, as the Decks they could go in either wouldn't care to have them or actually need them. For the Charmers, it works well, and especially in the coming format where the Nekroz Armor of Trishula is a live threat. You want to be able to empty something so that your opponent won't be banishing your cards anytime soon. Sometimes that has to be your field, and the Quick Plays help you do that while still retaining your advantage. Haven is rather hilarious in that it promotes the Synchros while netting you some advantage that at any time can turn into Elemental Burst. I'm amused by this idea. The last thing I'll mention is that Gathering makes this Deck go round, especially them Synchros. It becomes tough at times to get the whole field together, especially against Qlis and Nekroz where you can be hit with a big field at any moment, and I think that about fixes that. Overall, you seemed to have reached your goals with Charmers becoming something. Tier 1? Probably not. Tier 2 and being several splashable engines lower tier Decks would die for? Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirrus Posted December 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Thank you very much for the review! Many of the points were deliberate design decisions, which I'm glad you picked up on =D but some of the ideas are new even for me! I quite like the ideas you raised and don't feel it would unduly imbalance the cards to widen the allowance for the big Charmers to any appropriately-attributed Spellcaster, so that all those cool plays are enabled. Rakusetsu used to be a lot worse than it currently is (and Meisha ... questionably better?) as all Twinned Spiritual Arts were Normal Spells, but a friend convinced me to buff it by quite a bit. I will bring the concern with Qlis to my friend and see what he says on the matter, as I am also quite interested ... The deck is indeed designed to win with Gathering. Early on in the design process I talked to my friend with the four elemental Charmers and their upgrades, and he was like "... you need a Madolchepalooza." and I was like "whoa you're totally right!" and that's how it happened. Originally Haven was slated to give an extra Normal Summon, but my friend cautioned against it as it would turn into a card that opened many gates to utter devastation; he's honestly probably right. Twin Stars is designed to be Essence + buffed level + big Charmer; thus it's a bit harder to summon than its compatriots (which are 1-card plays) but not actually too hard. The speed of deployment really gets in the deck's way in pushing. Twinned Spiritual Arts are designed to crush set-up fields, while Triplicate Spiritual Arts are just a marker for "am I winning? do I need some disruption? how much am I willing to pay for that". Kudos to my friend for suggesting the amplification of effects from tributing more monsters - that was truly a brilliant stroke. Of course design intent doesn't always work out, etc. ANYWAY tl;dr buffed big Charmers to support appropriately-Attributed decks a bit better. Very interesting interactions you mentioned with Fortune Lady DRuler and Lightsworn in particular; I like this very much. Eye-opening review 10/10 would read again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirrus Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Bumping this thread because further C&C is always welcome. I haven't forgotten about this eclectic collection of monsters, and would like for these to function to a lesser extent in single-/dual-Attribute-focused archetypes. For now though I'm waiting for the last member (at least) of the big familiars to be released in the actual card game. Also I did ninja-edit quite a few card text changes / cleanups to better reflect design intent. So it warrants an update! Kind of?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riktus Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Amazing cards,i can't believe someone other than me actually wants some support for the Charmer archetype. All cards seen balanced to me, so i really dont have much to say other than: good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirrus Posted January 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2015 Weekly bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirrus Posted January 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Still waiting for CROS spoilers. Ideas for new support brewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirrus Posted January 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Pushed up yet again. Although I'm not convinced that new support is entirely necessary at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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