Azure Wolf Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 In reality, they're basically the same thing, just with different species. "Murder" is the killing of someone in our own species, so it has bigger implications by default.It is more called murder due to the fact humans are one of the most societal groups. Most animal don't fare well alone and humans are included in this. If murder is killing a member of your own spieces with intent then why aren't fights between two lions where one dies classed as murder. humanity is the only spieces which murder applies to because we basically invented it be it when Cain killed Abel or whatever you believe. Until we meet a spieces as intelligent as ourselves murder will only ever apply to us and will always be a larger issue to us than a man killing an animal. Just my thoughts could be wrong but I like thinking about this stuff. Not nessiceraly disagreeing with you just giving my own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Honestly, what he did is just as bad as somebody brutally murdering another person for their own personal gain... It's understandable why people are angry about this, although I do not feel that way myself towards the killer, as I am not a revenge kind-of person.I don't see anyone sending me death threats for eating bacon. Also something something people care more about lions than other people something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Why shouldn't I compare it to somebody murdering another human? What he did was just as horrible and un-justifiable as any human killing another human. He didn't do it because the lion was attacking him and he would have died, or he needed the food to survive or anything like that, it was purely for his own enjoyment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 I don't eat bacon because I need it to survive, I just eat it for my enjoyment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 The problem isn't that he killed a lion. The problem is that he used a bunch of nefarious bullshit to a kill a protected member of an endangered species. The way I see it, this is more akin to killing someone's cat than killing a wild animal, which makes it a bit different for me. That being said, people need to back off. funk the guy, sure, but actively harassing him is just weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Wolf Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Why shouldn't I compare it to somebody murdering another human? What he did was just as horrible and un-justifiable as any human killing another human. He didn't do it because the lion was attacking him and he would have died, or he needed the food to survive or anything like that, it was purely for his own enjoyment. Like iHop said it was for enjoyment. Hunting has always been a sport for does who never needed it to survive and knowing this go after animals they have no intention of eating like foxes or lions. That being said this didn't seem like a proper hunt, they were in a reserve where tha animals were use to human presence so it was easy there shouldn't have been any thrill but all humans probably have some degree of sadism in cases like this. Killing an animal can be justifiable if a) it is needed, either for food or from self-defence, or b) the animal is allowed to be hunted and you have prmission to do so. This case is difficult as the guy has said he got proper permission to hunt the lion and probably has proof to back this up, but the lion was also not allowed to be hunted, either it was a lack of information being relayed or they just didn't care. Until this is proved no-one can do anything. Killing humans can also be justified but doing it outside of life or death situations, and even then unless you are a solider in a war zone, this is still counted as a crime because of the way humans behave. People are shunned if they kill someone, even if it was by complete accident or not technically their fault, like assisted suicide. If a human kills a human it impedes their life by making it harder to get a job, but a human killing an animal is accepted or just ignored by most of the human poplace. As long as we exist we will always hunt be it for sport or for food. Even if we put in a bunch of laws governing hunting there will always be people hunting illegally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 I severely doubt he actually believed this was a legal hunt. This doesn't seem to occur like any normal hunt (baiting with a dead carcass, returning a day later to finish the kill), and some sources have said that the guides tried to remove the collar. This guy has also had a previous indictment involving an illegal bear kill, a good 20 miles or so outside of the legal hunting area, and tried to register the kill as within the hunting catchment. This wasn't a hunt, this was poaching. I have views that are against hunting for sport, but they would just muddy the issue. It's a conservation issue for me, nothing more. 5 Kenyan elephants got poached this week too. That funking sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 So, Zimbabwe is calling on the U.S. to extradite this guy: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/world/zimbabwe-cecil-lion-dentist/ It seems there is already a large number of support for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I have views that are against hunting for sport, but they would just muddy the issue. It's a conservation issue for me, nothing more. 5 Kenyan elephants got poached this week too. That f***ing sucks. This is life, a cruel game where the only escape is what Cecil and those 5 elephants headed towards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 This would definitely be poaching IMO. Idk if extraditing him is the answer, but we'll see how the white house responds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 This would definitely be poaching IMO. Idk if extraditing him is the answer, but we'll see how the white house responds. I doubt he'll be extradited. You never know, though. Despite it happening in Zimbabwe, I wonder if he can be charged on American soil with anything because if so, I feel there's a chance they could do that instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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